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you can't have it both ways #6530189
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D's are saying illegals are an asset.

Good friend lives on the border says its ten times worse than what we see on the news. People apply for asylum then are free to go. They have a court date and are supposed to return for it though hardly any do.

R and D both are refusing to change the law. Any guess who is behind this exodus?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexico-o...iticizes-federal-inaction-000701590.html


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: danny clifton] #6530190
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
D's are saying illegals are an asset.

Good friend lives on the border says its ten times worse than what we see on the news. People apply for asylum then are free to go. They have a court date and are supposed to return for it though hardly any do.

R and D both are refusing to change the law. Any guess who is behind this exodus?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexico-o...iticizes-federal-inaction-000701590.html


Is it the Russians, the Mexican President or that Soros fellow?


Who is John Galt?

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Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: danny clifton] #6530196
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It's getting bad. Our governor is not helping put out the crisis either. She is finding areas to shelter them including in high schools. Her and the mayor of Santa Fe(sanctuary city) have been preaching sheltering the people but they don't want them there in SantaFe. This week she worked with Albuquerque's mayor to open the state fair grounds to shelter them.

99% won't return for their court dates.

Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: danny clifton] #6530198
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The catholic pope has stated that he supports both verbally and has contributed financial aid to illegal immigrants

Frankly I think he should consintrate on cleaning his own house before commenting on how others conduct their affairs



�Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks.�
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Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: danny clifton] #6530199
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I don't know. I suspect most are fleeing the consequence of living in a country run by drug dealers.

N.M. governor Grisham said a couple weeks ago there was no crisis and pulled N.M. national guard off the border.

I don't think a wall will help. They are not trying to avoid capture. They walk up to border patrol. Then ask for asylum. As soon as they do that they are entitled to a hearing. They get a date and are released. They just never show up. Those "migrant camps" are in reality refugee camps. Not everyone goes to one. Many simply vanish into our country.


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Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: danny clifton] #6530201
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I thought they were fleeing Catholic countries. Same thing with Muslim countries. The problem being these churches insistence on being fruitful and multiplying to the point no body has a job. Both religions seem to only be worried about having more faithful than the faithful's quality of life.


Who is John Galt?
Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: danny clifton] #6530224
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What have those craphole country's been doing with those BILLIONS of our dollars?


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Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: nightlife] #6530324
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Originally Posted by nightlife
The catholic pope has stated that he supports both verbally and has contributed financial aid to illegal immigrants

Frankly I think he should consintrate on cleaning his own house before commenting on how others conduct their affairs


Perhaps the pope should have stepped up to help improve those people's lives back in their countries of origin...

I can't stand this pope anyway. The guy is a socialist through and through.

Mike


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Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: danny clifton] #6530334
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I think the solution CAN be simple: you hire one or are involved in getting them welfare, go to jail

Now for the need of migrant farm workers: work permit, farmer supplies housing and pays up front for return trip home or to another farm operation. Violators, jail

Fines do not matter to people that make money off the labor but I’m sure a year or five in jail is a consequence they do it want

JMO


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Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: danny clifton] #6530500
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If our leaders would be responsible and faithful to our country, they would fund detention centers to hold these refugees until we can provide them the hearings they are entitled to under the law.

This in lieu of building a wall, which, as Danny points out, won't stop refugees who know our rules and come in openly.

Before anyone starts on me, my position on illegals is conservative, not liberal. I just don't favor a wall.

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Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: danny clifton] #6530542
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Trespassers are not automatically refugees.....they are trespassers.


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Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: nightlife] #6530576
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Originally Posted by nightlife
The catholic pope has stated that he supports both verbally and has contributed financial aid to illegal immigrants

Frankly I think he should consintrate on cleaning his own house before commenting on how others conduct their affairs

Hypocrite pope wants our borders open,,while living behind a big old wall at the Vatican.Typical liberal.


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Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: danny clifton] #6530619
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I will tell you as one who works on ranches close to Mexico that it has changed MUCH in the last 5 years. I now call US Border Patrol more than ever as I spot drug runners with bundle packs. Used to not ever see one.

I also pick up more and more liquor bottles pitched along the bladed ranch roads where before it was primarily water jugs. You think family units are traveling with more liquor? Word is out, that the border is OPEN! USBP is so spread thin with all the crossings that the cartels are sending groups to tie up agents and then they send the bad hombres across while the agents are tied up with the masses.

It's a mess and getting crazy.
I carry a .40 on me and a .223 on the buggie.
Shame what's happening.
One of these days I'll come across a corpse in Brooks county where I work often and the smugglers leave folks to perish if they can't keep up.

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The mass migration is just another attempt to slow down the Trump agenda!

Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: danny clifton] #6530716
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Human migration can't be stopped.
Its been going on since time immemorial.
Once the carrying capacity reaches saturation,humans like any other animal will migrate en masse.


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Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: James] #6530727
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Originally Posted by James
If our leaders would be responsible and faithful to our country, they would fund detention centers to hold these refugees until we can provide them the hearings they are entitled to under the law.

This in lieu of building a wall, which, as Danny points out, won't stop refugees who know our rules and come in openly.

Before anyone starts on me, my position on illegals is conservative, not liberal. I just don't favor a wall.

Jim



I think if we got rid of the wet foot, dry foot law we would see a dramatic drop in people crossing our border, and in turn won't need more facilities to hold these people.

Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: danny clifton] #6530729
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I know that a wall is just part of it, we need Congress to fix our laws. But to my knowledge, how can anyone according to law ask for asylum, and we have to go through the song and dance if they are not on our soil?


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Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: danny clifton] #6530747
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all they need to get on our soil is a ladder if there is a wall. they are not sneaking in. they cross the border and look for border patrol to surrender too.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: Mike in A-town] #6530749
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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
Originally Posted by nightlife
The catholic pope has stated that he supports both verbally and has contributed financial aid to illegal immigrants

Frankly I think he should consintrate on cleaning his own house before commenting on how others conduct their affairs


Perhaps the pope should have stepped up to help improve those people's lives back in their countries of origin...

I can't stand this pope anyway. The guy is a socialist through and through.

Mike



Pope on a rope BS. if walls need to come down from his mouth,take yours downs first.
Second you have a ongoing scam on raking in money and burying it away. take some of the gold and money stowed away in your golden city and actually help the poor. leave your opinion on how we manage our country to US.

Re: you can't have it both ways [Re: danny clifton] #6530753
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
all they need to get on our soil is a ladder if there is a wall. they are not sneaking in. they cross the border and look for border patrol to surrender too.

I guess Israel's wall is a hoax lol. A proper wall would keep them from crossing imo.


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