Re: you can't have it both ways
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apples to oranges 22. we need to change our law.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: you can't have it both ways
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apples to oranges 22. we need to change our law. We need both and a lot more imo danny. I'm not confident that congress will do much though.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: you can't have it both ways
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05/03/19 01:55 PM
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Boco You have too much time on your hands watching Hogans Heroes this morning! LOL
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Re: you can't have it both ways
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Alligators in the Rio Grande river will slow down the migration.
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Re: you can't have it both ways
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The wall would not be a end all cure but a tool to aid the Bp .It acts as a funnel and a filter it concentrates travel at each end or at any weakness .concentrated trafic will be found by BP soon .As a filter ,,,if somebody is healthy enough to climb a wall or smart enough to get around one or have enogh money to pay to use a tunnel they are more likely to be an asset than a parisite . Seeing as half our population are bleeding hearts eliminating access to public programs for non citizens is off the table the easy fix will never happen
Cut the funding of public programs as you mentioned would be difficult, but not impossible. Throw in E-verify along with severe penalties for employers of illegal immigrants up to and including confiscation of assets and liquidation of property would possibly be one way as well.
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Re: you can't have it both ways
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E Verify is already in place! The illegal can purchase a social security thus a drivers license (2 pieces of ID required for E Verify). Why should the employer be blamed?
E Verify has been in place for years. No excuse for an employer hires an illegal without using E Verify and some take advantage of employees and they can be charged.
I just looked and Employment Verification is actually Federal Form I-9. The employer records verification with the penalty of perjury. Kept in the employment records of the employee.
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Re: you can't have it both ways
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E Verify is already in place! The illegal can purchase a social security thus a drivers license (2 pieces of ID required for E Verify). Why should the employer be blamed?
E Verify has been in place for years. No excuse for an employer hires an illegal without using E Verify and some take advantage of employees and they can be charged.
I just looked and Employment Verification is actually Federal Form I-9. The employer records verification with the penalty of perjury. Kept in the employment records of the employee.
That form you mentioned is not forwarded to the government for verification and is purely voluntary for non federal contracts and those in states that don't mandate it's usage, otherwise it is placed in your personnel folder or glove box of your local contractor.
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Re: you can't have it both ways
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Employment Eligibility Verification Form I-9, U.S. Department of Justice, Immigration and Naturalization Service. Penalty of Perjury for both prospective employee and employer!
With all of the illegals in our country now I wouldn't want to carry the form in my glove box. Employers do get checked.
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Re: you can't have it both ways
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Bigfoot a wall wont matter. They are not sneaking in. They are already being funneled by existing walls. They want to be apprehended. They get food, shelter and healthcare. They get a court date and are then released into our country. They don't stay in the refugee camps long term. They don't want to actually go to court. They can, and do, walk into a port of entry and ask for asylum. After a nice rest for a week or three, some antibiotics and antiparasitics for whatever nastiness they have, its time to continue the journey, unabated.
Once here they only get deported if they commit another crime. Dad gets a job, mom tells the nice social worker her kids real dad is still in Guatemala. They all get food stamps, healthcare, housing and utility subsidies. Free phones and some cash. Kids go to public school where teachers are now forced to teach in Spanish. they all network in their community on how to maximize entitlement benefits.
You can not blame only one political party either. Both are guilty of acknowledging there is a problem. Flapping their lips and wagging their tongues but nothing ever gets done. Except by us the tax payer. We put our heads down and work even harder, pay ever increasing tax bills, and hope something changes when we go vote for the same sorry politicians.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: you can't have it both ways
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In the present economy I have no problem with anybody that is willing to work as long as all withholdings are held out and they are not drawing public subsidies if taxes are taken out there not undercutting any other working people and if they aren't drawing public subsidies then they are not a parasite on our social programs. One change in our immigration law that needs to be made is that guy can come here legally a lot easier than is possible today.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: you can't have it both ways
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In the present economy I have no problem with anybody that is willing to work as long as all withholdings are held out and they are not drawing public subsidies if taxes are taken out there not undercutting any other working people and if they aren't drawing public subsidies then they are not a parasite on our social programs. One change in our immigration law that needs to be made is that guy can come here legally a lot easier than is possible today. I think we have enough people here. Let spouses come in and a very limited number of professionals. When I look around the last thing I think is "we need more people here" I dont care if they come legally or not, keep them all out.
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Re: you can't have it both ways
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05/03/19 07:19 PM
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donnersurvivor there are more jobs in my part of the world now than there are people to fill them.
why not let that guy who just wants to work and feed his kids fill some of them?
a good work ethic is something we can use more of
what we are doing now is allowing criminals disease parasites probably future terrorists in.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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