dogs got into a porky
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My 3 dogs got into a porcupine last nite. They look like a mess. Do I just pull the quills out w pliers? Never had to deal with this before. The joys of country living.........
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Vet bill would be expensive, I have pulled them myself. If the dog realizes you are the boss you can do it. If they are in his throat be sure to use a stick in his jaws to prevent getting bit. I don't envy your situation. I had airdales and each time they got quills it made them take it out more agressively on the next porky.
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Yep, pull them out as best you can. I use pliers or hemostats. You can make it easier if you snip the ends of the quills off, they are hollow and they sort of deflate making them easier to pull, you can also soak them in hydrogen peroxide and they will kind of shrink Like stated above the ones in the mouth are the worst to deal with, after my first dog got into one I started anti- porky training my dogs doesn’t always work but helps for most of them Had a coon hound that after the first time hated the things so bad he went out of his way to find and kill every one he ran across got to be a real pro at it and almost never got a single quill in him
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Re: dogs got into a porky
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I got the wifes little mutt cleaned up, he had a few in his chin (10-15). The 2 anatolian/akbash cross goat defenders are ate up with em, its gonna be a chore. They are yuugely big and gnarly. Ill give em all a shot of pen when I get done, I hope I dont get ate. I might need a shot too.
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The dogs that I have seen that were taken to the vet and sedated for removal almost always go after another porky, sometimes in less than a week. The dogs that we help down and removed with pliers never wanted anything else to do with one. I spent the better part of a day removing half a gallon coffee can of quills from 2 hounds once and until the day they died they never touched another one. Had a whole pack of hog dogs mob a porky one day and one of them killed the thing! Thought he was going to bleed to death before we got all of them out of him. If you do it the easy way they will learn nothing! Just like people.
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I am not sure what it is about porkies but if I correct a dog on deer they come running back with their tail between their legs. If I correct them on a bayed up porky they will back off but keep trying to get close. It is like they almost cant help themselves. I have a property loaded with porkies that is owned by a serious bird hunter. He wants every porky dead. My young hounds were getting into them almost every night we ran there looking for coons. Luckily a fair amount of them were up in trees/brush so no quills. I had some they caught on the ground also and pulled lots of quills with my headlamp and a leatherman in the back of my truck. I was shocking them aggressively with every encounter, even when they took a second look at a dead one. Even with all the electricity I was still looking at 2-3 porkies a night. One of the last times I ran there I had a young pup that was barking bayed. My older male ran back to the truck whining and acting half scared but still looking like he wanted to go back to the pup. I walked over to the pup and sure enough he had the porky bayed in a bush but was staying a couple feet back. With me there the older dog got in on the bay but still stayed back. Their actions made me think the juice was finally getting through to them. 15 minutes later I see a porky loping along in front of me. The hounds were working behind me and hadn't seen it or smelled it. I figured it would be a good training experience since it was in the open and I could see the whole run start to finish. I walked to the porky trail and as soon as they hit it they were quickly on the porky but respecting it by a couple feet. I still gave them juice whenever they got what I felt was too close. I managed to get it killed without any quills in the dogs. My original intent was to try to get the dogs to avoid porkies 100%. However, with the value of porkies and the dismal coon market if I could get them to just avoid getting quilled I am rethinking my stance on that. I think I am making progress. They are still trailing porkies but the last couple runs I haven't had to pull a quill. Feels like I am playing with fire but I also seem to be making progress. I didn't kill all these but it would take a train load of coon to equal the value of the hair in this box!
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I would put a belt around the dogs neck and kneel on that and snip the back off of the quills like said before pulling on them to remove the air in the quill and start pulling, check inside of the mouth also.
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So much misinformation here. SMH!
Speed and thoroughness are all that matters when pulling quills. Period.
Cutting or soaking the quills is IDIOTIC. Makes zero sense. The part of the quills with the barbs is SOLID. The part that is hollow... DOESN'T MATTER! It's just along for the ride. Doh! Have the people posting this nonsense ever even examined a quill??? Clipping the unimportant hollow portion of the quills doesn't make pulling them any easier, all the while wasting precious time.
********** Keep this in the very forefront of your mind: Every movement of the dog's muscles relentlessly pulls the quills DEEPER. Every second counts. Pull as many as you can, as fast as you can. **********
Take the dog to the vet later if needed, or even just for peace of mind, but FIRST PULL EVERY QUILL YOU CAN. Pull as many quills as you can right there on the spot. (ALWAYS have a Leatherman on you. Good idea to have hemostats and a quill jig too.) Back at the truck, pull more. Back home, pull more. Think you've got 'em all? Check again every day for months.
Some dogs learn to respect porkies, others never do. We've seen zero correlation between pulling the quills with or without sedation and the dog's future behaviour. That's just another old wives tale. There is neither excuse, nor substitute, for YOUR training of the dog. Vainly hoping to have the quills do the training YOU should have done is lazy, stupid and childish.
Taking the dog to the vet doesn't hurt, but it's no guarantee. I've pulled all I could find (300+), taken the dog to a vet, found and pulled more quills over the next week or two, took the dog to another vet who pulled some more, still pulled a few more quills here and there... three months later pulled what turned out to be the last quill.
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I have been pulling a few at a time, then the dogs run off for a bit. Then I get a few more. The goat defenders both weight 150+ lb, about the same as me. I dont think I can wrestle em. I thought about running em in the calf table and squeezing em and laying em over, and pulling em. I think ill work on em over the next day or so, maybe they will learn their lesson. They are miserable. I have pulled a few hundred, and have many more hundreds to go.
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Removing the air from the quill have been recommended for many years the idea being you squeeze one end with a plyers you force are to the other end, just makes sense!
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I am not sure what it is about porkies but if I correct a dog on deer they come running back with their tail between their legs. If I correct them on a bayed up porky they will back off but keep trying to get close. It is like they almost cant help themselves. I have a property loaded with porkies that is owned by a serious bird hunter. He wants every porky dead. My young hounds were getting into them almost every night we ran there looking for coons. Luckily a fair amount of them were up in trees/brush so no quills. I had some they caught on the ground also and pulled lots of quills with my headlamp and a leatherman in the back of my truck. I was shocking them aggressively with every encounter, even when they took a second look at a dead one. Even with all the electricity I was still looking at 2-3 porkies a night. One of the last times I ran there I had a young pup that was barking bayed. My older male ran back to the truck whining and acting half scared but still looking like he wanted to go back to the pup. I walked over to the pup and sure enough he had the porky bayed in a bush but was staying a couple feet back. With me there the older dog got in on the bay but still stayed back. Their actions made me think the juice was finally getting through to them. 15 minutes later I see a porky loping along in front of me. The hounds were working behind me and hadn't seen it or smelled it. I figured it would be a good training experience since it was in the open and I could see the whole run start to finish. I walked to the porky trail and as soon as they hit it they were quickly on the porky but respecting it by a couple feet. I still gave them juice whenever they got what I felt was too close. I managed to get it killed without any quills in the dogs. My original intent was to try to get the dogs to avoid porkies 100%. However, with the value of porkies and the dismal coon market if I could get them to just avoid getting quilled I am rethinking my stance on that. I think I am making progress. They are still trailing porkies but the last couple runs I haven't had to pull a quill. Feels like I am playing with fire but I also seem to be making progress. I didn't kill all these but it would take a train load of coon to equal the value of the hair in this box! I have a friend who does control work and uses his dog's (one's a black mouth cur and the other a mixed) all the time to bay porkies. They've been quilled a time or two but that's it. Runs them through cedar and pine tree country or rock cropping's close to those areas(they den up a lot in those around here) and will easily take 6-8 out of a section.
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Re: dogs got into a porky
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I am getting em a few at a time. The dogs are getting pretty skittish. These 2 big boys arent your normal type dogs, they live in the pasture with the goats. They arent aggressive towards people, but could take them or leave them, they are indifferent to people. The goats are their family. I talked to the wife about loading them and going to the vet, weve tried in the past and it was a no go. About the only way to load them would be to rope them and drag em into the trailer. I just pick up vaccinations from the vet and give them in the pasture.
They aren't pets.
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