Over/under on whether they mention the words 1.) Conservation or 2.) Wild fur at any point?

Yep they have no clue what they are talking about. Thats why it is a done and dusted deal. Prejudice outranks everything else fore them

There was another twit that claimed "archaic" leg-hold traps and other traps used by trappers can be lethal to humans. There's a group of people about to speak opposed to the ban coming up shortly.

"Trapping is inherently inhumane. Species trapped for fur are not overpopulated and the species does not benefit from animals being trapped." Twit #2.

I still get the idea there's a lot of guys out there that don't realize how serious this is.There is only one real market for our product,and that's the fur trade.Forget the small niche markets their not going to save anything.And if the fur trade were to go,how long do you think these small markets are going to be around for?

The anti-fur group was asked to describe a trap and its impacts on the animal, and one of their group brought a trap to show how it works. The dummy who brought it couldn't get it set and twit #2 said "they're not typically used on carpet" as if it makes any difference!

Oh yeah, and foothold traps have also been banned in most states. In case you guys didnt know that.

Out of 5 council members that have spoken only 1 is on our side. The other 4 had their minds made up before this started

Sawmill Creek I think you're right, I think this was over before it started and this hearing is just pandering. The pro-fur panel is about to speak, can't wait to see them strike down the lines from the anti-fur panel.

Hope for a miracle I guess...

It seems that is the case mostly, they already have their minds made up, they are just going through the motions

Stick a fork in it, this is done. Listening to the head of the committee tear down members of the pro-fur panel unlike kissing the rear end of the anti-fur panel, and nobody in there right mind would believe otherwise.

Told you so ....... Ohhh how I hate attires to say / type those words. The whole thing was done and dusted even before it got public. NY is a dem run state .... the twits at the top get to call the shots. End of story. Its the northern version of Californistan. Rights........ screw rights. Gubberment knows best and you little ants will abide. Its a NAZI seed planted into this country. It will spread for the simple reason that false promises are easier to populate then real promises that are kept. Or are openly being attempted to be kept even if not met.

One committee member is hung up on the reduction of fur stores from 400 some to 14 or so since the 70s. But how many manufacturers back then were making snowmobiles or lawnmowers or even vehicles compared to now? How many department stores were there then compared to now? A local mall lost 2 of its 4 big stores in the last couple years. Granted the NY garment district doesn't compare to a Green Bay WI shopping mall, butbthe two aren't totally dissimilar.

Another committee member said they were told mink on mink farms were kept in shoebox-sized cages, but when told by a mink farmer they were more like 2'x3' he asked if that was the natural environment of mink. Maybe not, but I guarantee all the mink caught by trappers are caught in their natural environment. And what's the natural environment of the cow that grew the leather used for his shoes? Or the silkworm boiled alive to make his tie or his wife's nightgown? Surely we shouldn't eove the steel from it's natural environment to make his car or the subway or an airplane. We should stop using any product that isn't 100% natural, oh look, we're left with harvesting fur!

While trapping is being mentioned occasionally, this discussion seems to heavily focus on fur farming both domestic and international.

That's my last update, I can't stomach any more of it.

Guys, this is not an issue that can be argued, as stated earlier most of the counsel members had their minds made up long before this meeting. NYC is not a place civil discourse takes place. You are leftist extremist and that is that. One cannot be all "Well clutch my pearls" I can't believe these people would act as such. This is not surprising and frankly is there is a loophole so rich people can get fur they will get fur. Frankly its all a show and has no substance. Not allowing people to buy private property which causes no danger is how these societies operate. Its virtue signalling and nothing more. Laugh at them, don't vote for them and keep your money away from NYC.

You would be surprised how many think a sheep dies to get the wool.

Sadly no I wouldn't

saw that the same thing is happening in california,then I get the new FFG and see that they are trying to eliminate nutria with traps,makes absolutly no sense. Everyone is talking about going green,can't get much greener than fur,a renewable resource

YEP Aint no cure for stupid and stupid is the track most of us are on. Enjoy the ride

I believe every person on the anti-fur panel and a few of the committee members mentioned animals being skinned alive, and were silenced by one person on the pro-fur panel that claimed to have affidavits from the individuals that made the video stating it was staged and not indicative of real fur farming practices.

The head committee member (I may have these titles wrong, but I didnt pay enough attention to names or titles) said on multiple occasions that he was given bad information, undoubtedly by the anti-fur groups. But they've been fed that wrong information their whole lives and this hearing isn't going to change their minds.

We act like our opinion matters in NYC. Or for that matter any urban area. We are only considered redneck, troglodytes no matter our education level. We are already considered bigots and horrible people before opening our mouths just virtue of our geographic locations.

Its going to be " NO FUR " in NYC don't sweat it .... Sense has nothing to do with the whole issue. Its Control They want to control. It goes from the size soda to red meat to guns, fur. It does not mater , its all about control. hey are not goin to be happy until we are a picture copy of North Korea where the government tell you when and were to get pregnant and if you are eligible for even having a child. When pocket knives are outlawed in public and you can not have as much as a screw driver in your tool kit without having the paperwork to prove that you are going to need it that day and a risk assessment for the ob that tour will need that screwdriver for.
You think I am kidding ???
Nope thats where the UK is at right when I left .
I hope it does not get this way for you