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Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? #6538145
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Why? A person can carry a .500 S&W but a shotgun with a barrel too short is illegal. ?

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Because bad guys in movies use them.

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Originally Posted by virgil1972
Because bad guys in movies use them.


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538151
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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538154
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It's an effort to keep them from being used like a handgun.

So many restrictions on handguns make it unattractive to jump through those hoops. Easier to purchase a long gun and "custom" it so it can be carried.

I can't see it, at least that it would be comfortable but I'm not everybody.


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I am betting James could give you the proper legal reason why, my recollection is that they were made illegal and that was upheld by the Supreme Court because they were not relevant or needed for the Militia. I cannot recall the case off the top of my head.

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I don't think they should be illegal, but a semi-auto shotgun loaded with 00 is capable of doing more damage in a crowded room than an AR with a bump stock. Again, I'm not advocating for banning them or any weapon for that matter. Just stating an opinion I see often expressed by others in videos trying to defend AR-15s.

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Because when the National Firearms Act (NFA) was enacted in 1934 they were trying to restrict firearms that gangsters (mafia) were using; machine guns, sawed-off shotguns etc..


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6538187
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
I am betting James could give you the proper legal reason why, my recollection is that they were made illegal and that was upheld by the Supreme Court because they were not relevant or needed for the Militia. I cannot recall the case off the top of my head.

US vs Miller 1939.


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If you make a handgun from a long gun, it is illegal. Need a permit to purchase a handgun.

Just an assumption. Probably has origions in concelment. ???

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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: waggler] #6538193
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Originally Posted by waggler
Because when the National Firearms Act (NFA) was enacted in 1934 they were trying to restrict firearms that gangsters (mafia) were using; machine guns, sawed-off shotguns etc..


The whole story. They made booze illegal, prohibition, which made folks want it which made the mafia to supply it. So in typical government double down stupidity they passed the NFA based on appearances and perception rather than reality. FYI, the orignal bill also included handguns. The NFA like most regs disfavored the common man but placed minimal restrictions on the wealthy (tax stamps). Also based it's violation of 2A on constitutional authority to levy taxes.
Completely bogus and unconstitutional by any reasonable interpretation.

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Sawed off shotguns and full autos were the bump stocks/pistol grip/flash hider/high cap mag of 20s and 30s.

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And “sawed off” just means less than 18 inches. That said Remington and Mossberg both currently manufacturer and sell shotguns less than 18 inches now through some loophole.


I have nothing clever to put here.





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Why is it any different to use a short .410 shotgun than a Taurus Judge? Same ammo, same pisspoor patterning. lol

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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Why is it any different to use a short .410 shotgun than a Taurus Judge? Same ammo, same pisspoor patterning. lol


You ain’t a kidding about poor patterns. Lead flies everywhere but what you’re aiming at.

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I have always wanted a decent quality switchblade. I think that switchblades and sawed off shotguns were made illegal for the same reason "military style" rifles will be made illegal; they scare stupid, overly emotional people.

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Originally Posted by 160user
And “sawed off” just means less than 18 inches. That said Remington and Mossberg both currently manufacturer and sell shotguns less than 18 inches now through some loophole.


Since the manufacturer never installed a shotgun stock on it, it was never a shotgun - it's just a firearm. Only shotguns have a barrel length requirement. If it had ever had a shotgun stock on it, it would be a shotgun and would be illegal. Our gun laws are ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by KeithC
I have always wanted a decent quality switchblade. I think that switchblades and sawed off shotguns were made illegal for the same reason "military style" rifles will be made illegal; they scare stupid, overly emotional people.

Keith


I think there is no federal law about switchblades, or automatic knives, as they're more accurately called. My state legalized them several years ago. I own several.

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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by KeithC
I have always wanted a decent quality switchblade. I think that switchblades and sawed off shotguns were made illegal for the same reason "military style" rifles will be made illegal; they scare stupid, overly emotional people.

Keith


I think there is no federal law about switchblades, or automatic knives, as they're more accurately called. My state legalized them several years ago. I own several.

Jim


Switchblades are legal in Ohio now too. I believe they are still illegal in many states.

Keith

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Originally Posted by Bigbrownie
Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Why is it any different to use a short .410 shotgun than a Taurus Judge? Same ammo, same pisspoor patterning. lol


You ain’t a kidding about poor patterns. Lead flies everywhere but what you’re aiming at.



If I’m not mistaken, they’re legal because they have a rifled barrel. A pistol that fires shotgun shells.


A judge handgun that has a smooth bore would be one bad dude.

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I bought a switchblade 20 plus years ago at a gun store here. Says 440 stainless soligen on the blade. Store owner said your a volunteer fireman right? Were illegal except for law enforcement or fireman at the time. I brought it home and its never left my property though they are legal for all now. Skinned a bobcat with it once just so I can say I used it. Always thought that law was worse than stupid. A good fixed blade is much stronger and not any harder to conceal. Kinda like the short barreled shotgun. Never made sense to me. My old 45 is easier to conceal.

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Its illegal because it makes them easy for felons up to no good to conceal them.(26 USC 5845)

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Originally Posted by Boco
Its illegal because it makes them easy for felons up to no good to conceal them.


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OK brainwave,give us your legal opinion why sawing off a long gun is illegal?

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Technically they are not illegal, you just have to jump through the hoops and pay the 200 dollar tax stamp fee to own them.

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I purchased a Mossberg shockwave like in the picture. Barrel is 14". Somehow they are being produced and using a loophole to do it legally. I have shot 2 3/4 buckshot magnums. That's plenty of a load to handle. I have shot 3" 00 buck magnums and that is way more than I want to handle . A stock would be nice, but it's different. I seen where Remington came out with a 12 ga auto.... their versa max set up. Yikes, shooting 3" 00 in an auto rapidly..... I aint planning [Linked Image]
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I like the strap to keep it from flying out of your hand,lol.

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You are 100 % correct about the strap. I use it just as you say!!


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Taurus judge type guns (revolvers that shoot .410 shells) are legal because they're a handgun. They have a rifled barrel less than 16 inches and are designed to be shot with one hand, so that makes them a handgun. They just happen to chamber a shotgun shell. Things like the Mossberg shockwave are technically not shotguns. Legally speaking, it's just a "firearm". It's not a handgun, because the barrel isn't rifled and it's too long (over 26"). It's not a rifle, because there's no rifled barrel, and it's not designed to be fired from the shoulder. And most importantly, it's not a shotgun, since shotguns by legal definition are designed to be fired from the shoulder. If it's not a shotgun, then it cant be a short barreled shotgun.

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Originally Posted by the Blak Spot
How about this one?

A pistol or handgun with a smooth bore designed to fire a shotgun shell is an "any other weapon" and requires an NFA tax stamp. I think it's only $5 for an AOW stamp as opposed to $200 for something like a silencer, but it still involves all the extended background check silliness.

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In the same family as the Mossberg Shockwave is the Shock N Saw, a little different handle setup that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Originally Posted by Boco
Its illegal because it makes them easy for felons up to no good to conceal them.


crazy


It's a felony for a felon to touch a firearm.

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Originally Posted by Boco
Its illegal because it makes them easy for felons up to no good to conceal them.(26 USC 5845)


True. But then again if felons followed the law then they wouldn't be felons... So again, the only people the law actually pertains to are those willing to follow it.

Never heard of a liquor store robbery where the clerk said, "Well at least the gun he stuck in my face wasn't a sawed-off shotgun... Thank God for that law."

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Originally Posted by 160user
And “sawed off” just means less than 18 inches. That said Remington and Mossberg both currently manufacturer and sell shotguns less than 18 inches now through some loophole.


They do not! They are making All Other Weapons. Don't call them shotguns because there are not shotguns.
Basically the NFA classed items by design and receiver. The receivers on those sawed off shotgun looking things began life classified as an All Other Weapon so cannot be built into a shotgun.

I know silly but the law is the law.

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I like the strap to keep it from flying out of your hand,lol.

You shoot a SBS with your hand/palm over the barrel to hold the muzzle down.
That strap is straight from the mind of lawyers, and out of concern for any Canadians
who might pick it up and give it a try, Lol.


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Originally Posted by tlguy
In the same family as the Mossberg Shockwave is the Shock N Saw, a little different handle setup that's for sure.

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I think they do the handle that way because it'd be illegal to put a "forward grip" on it, kinda like how it's illegal to put a forward grip on a pistol. Don't ya just love our firearms laws? I'm sure all those silly rules keep us safer somehow crazy

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Originally Posted by maintenanceguy
Originally Posted by 160user
And “sawed off” just means less than 18 inches. That said Remington and Mossberg both currently manufacturer and sell shotguns less than 18 inches now through some loophole.


Since the manufacturer never installed a shotgun stock on it, it was never a shotgun - it's just a firearm. Only shotguns have a barrel length requirement. If it had ever had a shotgun stock on it, it would be a shotgun and would be illegal. Our gun laws are ridiculous.



Not true. The old Handi-guns and "auto-burglars" had a factory pistol grip yet are illegal to own without a class III license.


I have nothing clever to put here.





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Originally Posted by tlguy
I don't think they should be illegal, but a semi-auto shotgun loaded with 00 is capable of doing more damage in a crowded room than an AR with a bump stock. Again, I'm not advocating for banning them or any weapon for that matter. Just stating an opinion I see often expressed by others in videos trying to defend AR-15s.


This. Plus they would be easier to conceal than a long gun.


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The law is clear.The illegality is all about concealment.Much more destructive weapon than a handgun in close quarters.

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scared politicians in 1934 .


and more scared politicians defending the illegal law ever since.


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538692
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Should ask the people that wrote the law they are "the only reason we still have guns" and always asking for us to send them more cash

Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: Boco] #6538715
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Originally Posted by Boco
The law is clear.The illegality is all about concealment.Much more destructive weapon than a handgun in close quarters.


Betcha I could still fit an 18" double barrel with shortened stock under a flannel shirt... Especially if it's only long enough to get in the door of a liquor store.

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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538952
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They are regulated for the same stupid reason suppressors are regulated.

Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538975
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Why is it any different to use a short .410 shotgun than a Taurus Judge? Same ammo, same pisspoor patterning. lol
A Taurus Judge and the Governor and the Super Comanche are not .410 bore,,, they are .45LC handgun and they have rifling. They just happen to accept a .410 round and they are nice to have around the cottonmouth areas.

Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: 160user] #6538990
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A god buddy's dad worked for Ithaca a long time ago and he gave me a book about Ithaca guns. IN the book they showed this shotgun...
https://www.google.fr/search?q=ithaca+police++side+by+side+shotgun&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=efx6Ja67hVwpPM%253A%252CdsSUq75MhLbZlM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQVWmg_zcuewGBPHj6aA9JLJCSm0A&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi4mq3s9qHiAhWSsRQKHbs-CaQQ9QEwAXoECAkQBg#imgrc=efx6Ja67hVwpPM:&vet=1

They sold them to police during that same time. The book had some photos of guys who took pellets in the face from them. I'd say they were a good deterrent to bank robberies.

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these are legal and available. mailman can bring it to your mailbox



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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: traprjohn] #6539022
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ignorance


Nope. Straight stupidity.


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Originally Posted by Boco
The law is clear.The illegality is all about concealment.Much more destructive weapon than a handgun in close quarters.


And the problem with that is?


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: bowhunter27295] #6539073
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Never said there was a problem with that,I would certainly want to be able to hide a weapon going in to rob a bank as well as for the getaway into the crowd on the streets.I stated that is why the law says it is illegal to saw off a gun below a certain size.I also stated the law in a previous post that describes a "destructive weapon"-look it up.I didn't write your stupid laws.

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Originally Posted by maintenanceguy
Originally Posted by 160user
And “sawed off” just means less than 18 inches. That said Remington and Mossberg both currently manufacturer and sell shotguns less than 18 inches now through some loophole.


Since the manufacturer never installed a shotgun stock on it, it was never a shotgun - it's just a firearm. Only shotguns have a barrel length requirement. If it had ever had a shotgun stock on it, it would be a shotgun and would be illegal. Our gun laws are ridiculous.

Not true, Shotguns-18" min, Rifles -16" min, pistols with shoulder stocks = short barreled rifle.


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6539547
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it isn't a loop hole , one must just carefully read very poorly written legal definitions and follow the letter of the BS law.

a gun that starts it's life as a "Firearm" or Other with an overall length longer than 26 inches is just that a firearm.

if it is first sold as a shotgun or an AOW then it isn't allowed to be a "firearm"

If you poorly write , bad , unconstitutional laws , expect a little creativity to meet the letter of those stupid laws.

have you seen the Cali compliant grip , it has a plastic blade so you can't wrap your thumb around it making it not a "pistol grip" or the rapid breakdown pin so that you open the upper and lower legally disassembling the gun to change magazines.


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: Boco] #6540864
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Originally Posted by Boco
Never said there was a problem with that,I would certainly want to be able to hide a weapon going in to rob a bank as well as for the getaway into the crowd on the streets.I stated that is why the law says it is illegal to saw off a gun below a certain size.I also stated the law in a previous post that describes a "destructive weapon"-look it up.I didn't write your stupid laws.


if your going to rob a bank , or a liqueur store , whats one more law broken.

there was a shoot out in Appleton last week guy was 47 years old had been in an out of prison for the last 29 years on various drug , weapons and armed robbery charges do you think having 3 open cases and being a multi felon kept him from having a gun and shooting the cop fireman and bystander.

rules do nothing to keep criminals from breaking them. they let them out on 1/24th of their sentence any way so they can re-offend sooner.

there becomes limited options keep them in prison so they can't re-offend on the outside or hope that a very well armed public will keep them from seeing prison in the first place.


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