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Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? #6538145
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Why? A person can carry a .500 S&W but a shotgun with a barrel too short is illegal. ?

Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538147
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Because bad guys in movies use them.

Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: virgil1972] #6538149
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Originally Posted by virgil1972
Because bad guys in movies use them.


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538151
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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538154
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It's an effort to keep them from being used like a handgun.

So many restrictions on handguns make it unattractive to jump through those hoops. Easier to purchase a long gun and "custom" it so it can be carried.

I can't see it, at least that it would be comfortable but I'm not everybody.


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538158
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I am betting James could give you the proper legal reason why, my recollection is that they were made illegal and that was upheld by the Supreme Court because they were not relevant or needed for the Militia. I cannot recall the case off the top of my head.

Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538159
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I don't think they should be illegal, but a semi-auto shotgun loaded with 00 is capable of doing more damage in a crowded room than an AR with a bump stock. Again, I'm not advocating for banning them or any weapon for that matter. Just stating an opinion I see often expressed by others in videos trying to defend AR-15s.

Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538185
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Because when the National Firearms Act (NFA) was enacted in 1934 they were trying to restrict firearms that gangsters (mafia) were using; machine guns, sawed-off shotguns etc..


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6538187
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
I am betting James could give you the proper legal reason why, my recollection is that they were made illegal and that was upheld by the Supreme Court because they were not relevant or needed for the Militia. I cannot recall the case off the top of my head.

US vs Miller 1939.


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538190
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If you make a handgun from a long gun, it is illegal. Need a permit to purchase a handgun.

Just an assumption. Probably has origions in concelment. ???

Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538191
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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: waggler] #6538193
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Originally Posted by waggler
Because when the National Firearms Act (NFA) was enacted in 1934 they were trying to restrict firearms that gangsters (mafia) were using; machine guns, sawed-off shotguns etc..


The whole story. They made booze illegal, prohibition, which made folks want it which made the mafia to supply it. So in typical government double down stupidity they passed the NFA based on appearances and perception rather than reality. FYI, the orignal bill also included handguns. The NFA like most regs disfavored the common man but placed minimal restrictions on the wealthy (tax stamps). Also based it's violation of 2A on constitutional authority to levy taxes.
Completely bogus and unconstitutional by any reasonable interpretation.

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Sawed off shotguns and full autos were the bump stocks/pistol grip/flash hider/high cap mag of 20s and 30s.

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And “sawed off” just means less than 18 inches. That said Remington and Mossberg both currently manufacturer and sell shotguns less than 18 inches now through some loophole.


I have nothing clever to put here.





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Why is it any different to use a short .410 shotgun than a Taurus Judge? Same ammo, same pisspoor patterning. lol

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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Why is it any different to use a short .410 shotgun than a Taurus Judge? Same ammo, same pisspoor patterning. lol


You ain’t a kidding about poor patterns. Lead flies everywhere but what you’re aiming at.

Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538230
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I have always wanted a decent quality switchblade. I think that switchblades and sawed off shotguns were made illegal for the same reason "military style" rifles will be made illegal; they scare stupid, overly emotional people.

Keith

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Originally Posted by 160user
And “sawed off” just means less than 18 inches. That said Remington and Mossberg both currently manufacturer and sell shotguns less than 18 inches now through some loophole.


Since the manufacturer never installed a shotgun stock on it, it was never a shotgun - it's just a firearm. Only shotguns have a barrel length requirement. If it had ever had a shotgun stock on it, it would be a shotgun and would be illegal. Our gun laws are ridiculous.

Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: KeithC] #6538251
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Originally Posted by KeithC
I have always wanted a decent quality switchblade. I think that switchblades and sawed off shotguns were made illegal for the same reason "military style" rifles will be made illegal; they scare stupid, overly emotional people.

Keith


I think there is no federal law about switchblades, or automatic knives, as they're more accurately called. My state legalized them several years ago. I own several.

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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by KeithC
I have always wanted a decent quality switchblade. I think that switchblades and sawed off shotguns were made illegal for the same reason "military style" rifles will be made illegal; they scare stupid, overly emotional people.

Keith


I think there is no federal law about switchblades, or automatic knives, as they're more accurately called. My state legalized them several years ago. I own several.

Jim


Switchblades are legal in Ohio now too. I believe they are still illegal in many states.

Keith

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