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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: tlguy] #6538588
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Originally Posted by tlguy
I don't think they should be illegal, but a semi-auto shotgun loaded with 00 is capable of doing more damage in a crowded room than an AR with a bump stock. Again, I'm not advocating for banning them or any weapon for that matter. Just stating an opinion I see often expressed by others in videos trying to defend AR-15s.


This. Plus they would be easier to conceal than a long gun.


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538599
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The law is clear.The illegality is all about concealment.Much more destructive weapon than a handgun in close quarters.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538634
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scared politicians in 1934 .


and more scared politicians defending the illegal law ever since.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538692
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Should ask the people that wrote the law they are "the only reason we still have guns" and always asking for us to send them more cash

Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: Boco] #6538715
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Originally Posted by Boco
The law is clear.The illegality is all about concealment.Much more destructive weapon than a handgun in close quarters.


Betcha I could still fit an 18" double barrel with shortened stock under a flannel shirt... Especially if it's only long enough to get in the door of a liquor store.

Mike


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538919
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Look up the Diablo 12ga pistol I have one on order just for fun



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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538952
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They are regulated for the same stupid reason suppressors are regulated.


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538975
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Why is it any different to use a short .410 shotgun than a Taurus Judge? Same ammo, same pisspoor patterning. lol
A Taurus Judge and the Governor and the Super Comanche are not .410 bore,,, they are .45LC handgun and they have rifling. They just happen to accept a .410 round and they are nice to have around the cottonmouth areas.

Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: 160user] #6538990
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A god buddy's dad worked for Ithaca a long time ago and he gave me a book about Ithaca guns. IN the book they showed this shotgun...
https://www.google.fr/search?q=ithaca+police++side+by+side+shotgun&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=efx6Ja67hVwpPM%253A%252CdsSUq75MhLbZlM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQVWmg_zcuewGBPHj6aA9JLJCSm0A&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi4mq3s9qHiAhWSsRQKHbs-CaQQ9QEwAXoECAkQBg#imgrc=efx6Ja67hVwpPM:&vet=1

They sold them to police during that same time. The book had some photos of guys who took pellets in the face from them. I'd say they were a good deterrent to bank robberies.

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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6538996
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these are legal and available. mailman can bring it to your mailbox



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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6539058
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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: bowhunter27295] #6539073
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Never said there was a problem with that,I would certainly want to be able to hide a weapon going in to rob a bank as well as for the getaway into the crowd on the streets.I stated that is why the law says it is illegal to saw off a gun below a certain size.I also stated the law in a previous post that describes a "destructive weapon"-look it up.I didn't write your stupid laws.


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: maintenanceguy] #6539260
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Originally Posted by maintenanceguy
Originally Posted by 160user
And “sawed off” just means less than 18 inches. That said Remington and Mossberg both currently manufacturer and sell shotguns less than 18 inches now through some loophole.


Since the manufacturer never installed a shotgun stock on it, it was never a shotgun - it's just a firearm. Only shotguns have a barrel length requirement. If it had ever had a shotgun stock on it, it would be a shotgun and would be illegal. Our gun laws are ridiculous.

Not true, Shotguns-18" min, Rifles -16" min, pistols with shoulder stocks = short barreled rifle.


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6539544
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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: ~ADC~] #6539547
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it isn't a loop hole , one must just carefully read very poorly written legal definitions and follow the letter of the BS law.

a gun that starts it's life as a "Firearm" or Other with an overall length longer than 26 inches is just that a firearm.

if it is first sold as a shotgun or an AOW then it isn't allowed to be a "firearm"

If you poorly write , bad , unconstitutional laws , expect a little creativity to meet the letter of those stupid laws.

have you seen the Cali compliant grip , it has a plastic blade so you can't wrap your thumb around it making it not a "pistol grip" or the rapid breakdown pin so that you open the upper and lower legally disassembling the gun to change magazines.


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: Boco] #6540864
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Originally Posted by Boco
Never said there was a problem with that,I would certainly want to be able to hide a weapon going in to rob a bank as well as for the getaway into the crowd on the streets.I stated that is why the law says it is illegal to saw off a gun below a certain size.I also stated the law in a previous post that describes a "destructive weapon"-look it up.I didn't write your stupid laws.


if your going to rob a bank , or a liqueur store , whats one more law broken.

there was a shoot out in Appleton last week guy was 47 years old had been in an out of prison for the last 29 years on various drug , weapons and armed robbery charges do you think having 3 open cases and being a multi felon kept him from having a gun and shooting the cop fireman and bystander.

rules do nothing to keep criminals from breaking them. they let them out on 1/24th of their sentence any way so they can re-offend sooner.

there becomes limited options keep them in prison so they can't re-offend on the outside or hope that a very well armed public will keep them from seeing prison in the first place.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: 160user] #6778776
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Thanks for sharing.

That thing is fine!

Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: Boco] #6778786
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Originally Posted by Boco
Never said there was a problem with that,I would certainly want to be able to hide a weapon going in to rob a bank as well as for the getaway into the crowd on the streets.I stated that is why the law says it is illegal to saw off a gun below a certain size.I also stated the law in a previous post that describes a "destructive weapon"-look it up.I didn't write your stupid laws.


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: 160user] #6778806
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I think they come with pistol grips instead of a normal stock.


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Re: Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal? [Re: madcotrappwr] #6778808
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Originally Posted by madcotrappwr
None should be illeagl. The obvious answer is control over you.

Man, this one was brought back to life. Where is this guy, TIM, CAN YOU HEAR ME? Where are you??? grin


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