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Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: Teacher] #6538834
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Originally Posted by Teacher
I haven’t read more than the first page (today) but we have to think in terms of the sons and daughters we’re going to mess up over this thing. I think we ought to be looking at the suicide rate, PTSD and all the other things that cost individuals and countries before we mess up another generation. I’m all for helping to protect allies, but being the first one in the door, for the sake of being first, has to have long discussions before it’s done. Lest anyone forget, we’re still dealing with the aftermath of Vietnam with all the PTSD and agent orange issues 40 years later.


You must be Italian.


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Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: Marty] #6538837
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It will take longer than it took to get my convention of states thread axed. laugh

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Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: James] #6538841
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Originally Posted by James


Which is why we should honor the agreement reached by the Obama administration, which has so far prevented Iran from acquiring nukes.

I wound how many of you heroes are willing to enlist to help pound Iran? Or are you talking about sending someone else to die in your place?

Jim


You act like our folks in uniform are a bunch of liberal wussies. Many serving are chomping at the bit to kick some (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman).

Of coarse there probably are a few that just want free college and a job. They can change genders and stay home.


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Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: Marty] #6538846
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I will proudly take part in pounding iran, show me which button to push....


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Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: KeithC] #6538858
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Originally Posted by KeithC
I have met a couple hundred Iranians, mostly Kurds, but probably over 50 Persians too. I used to speak some Farsi, when I was a kid and attended picnics and other events with dozens of Iranian families. I was offered an arranged marriage with an Iranian, Kurdish, princess equivalent, after I broke up with my college girlfriend. Pretty close to half of Iranians in Iran, don't like their current government and want to live a modern secular life. The US is full of Iranians, who fled after the Shah was deposed. I have never met a religious Iranian in the US. They are mostly agnostic. The US was much, much closer to Iran than Iraq.

If given our support to overthrow their brutal, fanatical Muslim government, there are lots of very good Iranians to make Iran a modern peaceful nation. Iran is very unlikely to be like Iraq, which honestly did not turn out that bad.

Keith


You clearly have more experience with Iranians that I do So your estimate of how long those people will remain pro-American, after our bombs start killing their families, is probably longer than mine.

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Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: Marty] #6538865
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Originally Posted by Marty
I will proudly take part in pounding iran, show me which button to push....


Then you can "Zap" them. wink


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Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: KeithC] #6538879
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Originally Posted by KeithC


If given our support to overthrow their brutal, fanatical Muslim government, there are lots of very good Iranians to make Iran a modern peaceful nation. Iran is very unlikely to be like Iraq, which honestly did not turn out that bad.

Keith


Cost of Iraq war to the U.S 2.4 trillion
460,000 dead
Tell me again how great the Iraq war was...

Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6538885
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor


Cost of Iraq war to the U.S 2.4 trillion
460,000 dead
Tell me again how great the Iraq war was...


Do nothing and be the first dead. That's a great strategy.


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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor


Cost of Iraq war to the U.S 2.4 trillion
460,000 dead
Tell me again how great the Iraq war was...


Do nothing and be the first dead. That's a great strategy.

O ya, everyday I lived in terror that the Iraqi army was going to come and carry me away.

Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6538911
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by KeithC
It will not take very many Americans to pound Iran's current government, nuclear weapon producing infrastructure and military. We can mostly pound Iran from a very safe distance. Once we do, there are lots of Iranians who will happily and gratefully make Iran back into a modern, tolerant nation.

Keith


and if 100,000+ Iranian civilians die so what, and if ISIS types take over the ashes, who cares, we got to play with our toys and make defense contractors a few Billion, screw the cost to everyone else.

Seems like a formula for creating terrorist not safeguarding the U.S





Iranians want them out as well. Tried to do it themselves and were gassed!

Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6538914
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Cost of Iraq war to the U.S 2.4 trillion
460,000 dead
Tell me again how great the Iraq war was...


I honestly don't care about Iraqi dead at all.

The money spent helped our economy, like US wars generally do. It also helped us greatly improve our weapons technology. The Iraq War made the US stronger and more respected. It likely greatly reduced the amount of terrorism the US experienced at home.

We lost around 4400 American personnel in Iraq. That is not good, but to put it in perspective we lost about twice the number of Americans in Chicago, every year for the same exact time period to murder.

Keith

Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: Marty] #6538915
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Wasn't it just last year we took out a couple military installations because of the humanitarian laws that were broke? Had Russia husslin to get out the way I think?

Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: brianmall] #6538916
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Originally Posted by brianmall
Iranians want them out as well. Tried to do it themselves and were gassed!


Is that the incident Obama bailed on?

Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: Marty] #6538918
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They are our enemy!

We will fight them sooner or later!!!!!

I prefer sooner while we have a leader who knows how to win and before they get any stronger.

Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: Posco] #6538922
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Originally Posted by Posco
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Iranians want them out as well. Tried to do it themselves and were gassed!


Is that the incident Obama bailed on?



Maybe let happen or instigated by Obama? Trump dropped bombs and they ran back to their holes!

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It was right after Trump took office. MOAB followed by about 40 other bombs of some sort?

Different locations and for different reasons. But this Iranian tyrant gassed a bunch of his folks and Trump flattened the base or bases that gas was launched from?

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Russians were tripping all over themselves to get out the way?

Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: brianmall] #6538930
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Originally Posted by brianmall
Maybe let happen or instigated by Obama?


We're on the right track.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/11/why_obama_betrayed_the_iranian_people.html

Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: KeithC] #6538931
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Originally Posted by KeithC


I honestly don't care about Iraqi dead at all.

The money spent helped our economy, like US wars generally do. It also helped us greatly improve our weapons technology. The Iraq War made the US stronger and more respected. It likely greatly reduced the amount of terrorism the US experienced at home.

We lost around 4400 American personnel in Iraq. That is not good, but to put it in perspective we lost about twice the number of Americans in Chicago, every year for the same exact time period to murder.

Keith


"helped our economy"- yes thank you for adding 2.4 trillion in debt that the younger generation will have to pay for so that you could have a couple years of a slightly boosted economy. I graduated in 08, the economy sucked and continued to suck for quite a while, I dont see how shipping a pile of money to Iraq helped the economy at all.

"improved weapon technology"- good thing we had test dummies that you do not care about to test our weapons on.

"Made the U.S stronger and more respected"- Yikes... Tell me that was a joke.

"reduced terrorism"- Yes by taking in more refugees caused by the war I am sure it made us safer somehow. Has the level of Islamic terrorism decreased since the Iraq war? I dont think it has at all especially for the countries that took in the refugees. I really question how bombing and killing 450,000+ Iraqis made them like us more and will lead to reduced terrorism.

Re: How long before we pound iran? [Re: James] #6538934
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Originally Posted by James

Originally Posted by KeithC
I have met a couple hundred Iranians, mostly Kurds, but probably over 50 Persians too. I used to speak some Farsi, when I was a kid and attended picnics and other events with dozens of Iranian families. I was offered an arranged marriage with an Iranian, Kurdish, princess equivalent, after I broke up with my college girlfriend. Pretty close to half of Iranians in Iran, don't like their current government and want to live a modern secular life. The US is full of Iranians, who fled after the Shah was deposed. I have never met a religious Iranian in the US. They are mostly agnostic. The US was much, much closer to Iran than Iraq.

If given our support to overthrow their brutal, fanatical Muslim government, there are lots of very good Iranians to make Iran a modern peaceful nation. Iran is very unlikely to be like Iraq, which honestly did not turn out that bad.

Keith


You clearly have more experience with Iranians that I do So your estimate of how long those people will remain pro-American, after our bombs start killing their families, is probably longer than mine.

Jim


Jim large numbers of American Iranians work with our government. I suspect any attacks on Iran will be made with surgical precision against specific military and government targets. Afterwards, it is likely large numbers of the 7 million Iranian Kurds, many of the 21 million nearby Kurds and the more modern Persian population will finish off the tyrants with US air support.

The US will basically support one side of an Iranian Civil War.

Keith

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