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Re: Coal plants in the world today [Re: ] #6538937
05/16/19 10:18 PM
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I suppose cigarettes kill as many people in the world as any man made problem. Of course, those deaths are from poluted air as well.

Re: Coal plants in the world today [Re: QuietButDeadly] #6538956
05/16/19 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by QuietButDeadly
Emissions is not the only drawback with coal. Storage of the ash that contains some nasty stuff is also a big expense factor. Much of the ash is buried in unlined fills and the nasty stuff leaches into the water table. Duke power had a major ash spill from one of their NC plants a couple of years ago that polluted miles of the Dan river. It is costing them and me as their customer a small fortune to dig up all of the ash in unlined landfills in NC and move it to the safer lined landfills.


Not all the ash is buried. Its being used a lot in road construction and a lot of other products can be derived from it. The one plant near me, the smaller of the two, has its ash put into use.

Re: Coal plants in the world today [Re: ] #6538958
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I started in the mines in 1976, setting props in the Pittsburgh Seam while full retreating, and retired in 2013 as GM of a company with 23 mines. Steam coal should, and still remains, an important component of the US electrical grid. It has, however, been surpassed by gas plant burning cheap Marcellus gas here in the Eastern US. Metallurgical coal has been the bright spot for the coal industry as of late.

Re: Coal plants in the world today [Re: ] #6539027
05/17/19 07:08 AM
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American Olympic athletes left the Beijing games a couple years ago because the air pollution was so bad. You can bet China isn't going to clean up their act, yet Americans are supposed to go back to the stone age and save the whole world. ??? Ain't happenin............... Americans will not give up their luxuries to appease the rest of the world, who is doing nothing about pollution.
California is supposedly the most environmental-friendly place, yet it's the filthiest place in the country.


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Re: Coal plants in the world today [Re: ] #6539039
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We are flaring of lots of nat gas. It would be stupid to not use this cleaner energy source when it's practical. There really is no such thing as "clean coal".
There will always be a demand for met coal. Big markets for steam coal days are numbered.
BTW, my grandfather owned coal a coal mine and my father was a coal miner all his life.

Re: Coal plants in the world today [Re: ] #6539121
05/17/19 10:16 AM
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Sounds like the world needs better birth control !

Re: Coal plants in the world today [Re: ] #6539132
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China wants cleaner air. Their air is a national disgrace and embarrassment.

Re: Coal plants in the world today [Re: wr otis] #6539188
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Originally Posted by wr otis
Low points on the co2 graph coincide with ice ages?
Of course co and co2 levels are higher now and increasing in the last ten thousand years. Humans are the problem here, no other species has changed/ruined the environment like we have.

Can you definitively say that co2 level fluctuation with temperature fluctuations is the cause and not the effect of the fluctuations

Re: Coal plants in the world today [Re: Bigfoot] #6539203
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Originally Posted by Bigfoot
Originally Posted by wr otis
Low points on the co2 graph coincide with ice ages?
Of course co and co2 levels are higher now and increasing in the last ten thousand years. Humans are the problem here, no other species has changed/ruined the environment like we have.

Can you definitively say that co2 level fluctuation with temperature fluctuations is the cause and not the effect of the fluctuations


CO2 has been shown that historically that it lags warming of temperatures and fails to prevent cooling.

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