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Corn planting help. #6540006
05/18/19 09:14 PM
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This is my first year planting more than a small patch of corn. I bought an old two row planter that the fertilizer boxes rusted off and was replaced with a pump and a tank for liquid fertilizer, it sprays right into the seed bed. I was given a drum of 17-8-0 and one of 32-0-0. Which one should I use? I'm going to plant some open pollinated feed corn and sweet corn.

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Re: Corn planting help. [Re: jeremy brua] #6540012
05/18/19 09:21 PM
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17-8-0 will be better than 32%. 32% will burn the seed a will not germinate. 17-8-0 is high in nitrogen too, but a little safer. Get it under the seed, in the bottom of the furrow. Use about 4 gallons per acre. For the 32% use that later dribbled between the rows when the corn is up about 8 inches. 10 gallons to the acre.


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Re: Corn planting help. [Re: jeremy brua] #6540016
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I would recommend these applications for a starter. After corn is up a foot or so then more nitrogen is needed. To start more phospherus should be applied.
Under most situations, a combination of nitrogen and phosphorus constitutes an effective starter material. Liquid 10-34-0 and dry 18-46-0 are common starter fertilizer materials. Liquid 7-21-7 and dry 8-32-16 are also commonly used.
(nitrogen(N) - phosphorus(P) - potassium(K)

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Re: Corn planting help. [Re: jeremy brua] #6541161
05/20/19 07:49 PM
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Thanks!


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Re: Corn planting help. [Re: jeremy brua] #6541188
05/20/19 08:40 PM
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Here you go I have worked part time in Hampton for them for around 15 years, or more I can never remember,and we buy our farming products from them. For starters any salt base product shouldnít go in furrow 32% is a salt base product, your 17-8-0 might be either way just depends how its made. 10-34-0 is a salt free product because its made by reacting phosphoric acid with ammonia, 6-24-6 is usually a salt free product because its made with KOH instead of dry potash, the 7-21-7 is usually made with potash so its a salt product. Either spay the 32% on the top before the corn comes up or put it in a strip in the middle of the row when the corn gets to about 5 leaf.

Re: Corn planting help. [Re: Bob_Iowa] #6541206
05/20/19 09:10 PM
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I agree with all that you should not put a high N product in the furrow with the seed. Especially salt based liquid products. Most starter is put in a separate furrow about 1-2 inches on the side of the seed furrow. The kernel has enough ump to sprout and grow the fertilizer (starter) is placed near the seed furrow and at about planting depth to give the new seedling the nutrients it needs to grow and expand the root system to reach more nutrients in the soil.
No use putting the fertilizer in the furrow if you will burn half or more of your seedlings.

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Re: Corn planting help. [Re: jeremy brua] #6541296
05/20/19 11:00 PM
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I just use compost, lime, rabbit manure, and urine

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Re: Corn planting help. [Re: jeremy brua] #6541314
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Get a soil test to find out what your soil needs instead of asking strangers.

Plant it right or you are wasting time, fuel, and seed. If done right a relatively small patch of sweet corn can bring a good cash yield.

Spray to keep the weeds out.

I used to grow 2 acres each year and sold it all locally. I planted about 1/2 acre for a good friend. I put electric fence around mine. 3 rows very low to keep out young geese, raccoons, possums, and groundhogs. A couple more rows to keep deer out. A couple times daily I would shoot crows and blackbirds.

Re: Corn planting help. [Re: jeremy brua] #6541358
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Born and raised and still on the farm. No one ever gets soil tests done where Iím from but deer plot guys because thatís what the commercials say to do. Yes theyíre helpful, yes as a professional farmer Iíve got soil samples on my fields. But Never has anyone Iíve ever known got soil samples for their garden or truck patch. First tip- donít plant where nothing grows. Second tip- find most luxurious growth of grass and weeds thatís where garden goes. Third tip- hog,chicken, cattle manure is your fertilizer, simply work it in.

Re: Corn planting help. [Re: jeremy brua] #6541370
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Soil sample. Don't listen to "Professional Farmers". eek


As well read about the distances to plant your OP feed corn and your sweet corn. You don't want cross pollination.

Re: Corn planting help. [Re: jeremy brua] #6541413
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For corn you need nitrogen for ever how many bushels per acre you are aiming at growing. I always replace the phosphate and potash that the targeted yield will remove. I just broadcast dry urea, phosphate, and potash, Lime or PH might be a reason to get a soil test, but if your a gambler just put some on suit to taste. I wouldn't worry about putting any thing on with the planter except the seed, unless your ground is completely depleted of nutrients the first year or two, then it would would probably boost your yield. But only put in on beside the row a couple inches and deeper than your seed. You can google up some university charts to tell you how much nutrients your yield will require and/or remove from the soil.

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Re: Corn planting help. [Re: jeremy brua] #6541427
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Know matter the soil test some starter would be nice, but not in furrow. 2x2 is common, 2 inches deep and 2 inches to the side. You will also need nitrogen at some time. Side dress between rows is the norm. I put on 180# of actual nitrogen, probably could cut that back 20% for sweet corn. I grow both open pollinated and sweet corn, quite a bit actually. One gallon of 32-0-0 should have roughly 3.1 pounds of nitrogen. Have fun with the OP corn. If you are making cornmeal try some Pencil Cob, it makes the best corn bread by far, even better than Hickory King. Mike

Re: Corn planting help. [Re: jeremy brua] #6541466
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I just reread the original post and seen you already have some liquid fert. You could just weigh and spray with some type sprayer and disk in before planting. If it was me using the planter setup I would be done before I got the pump calibrated to put on what I wanted. Also any pre applied nitrogen will likely be gone if you are having near the rain were getting so you might save the 32 for later.

Farming is somewhere between art and science. At worst you could hill drop a few seeds in a hill and bury a small fish by each hill. Sounds primitive but concept is the same. Glad someone before us put us on the right track, lol.

Re: Corn planting help. [Re: jeremy brua] #6553852
06/12/19 08:15 AM
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Thank you everyone. I set up the planter to spray a few inches to the side and I cut the 17-8-0 about 1/3 with water and got it all in right before it poured so I doubt the fertilizer did more than washed away. The op corn is 89 day and the sweetcorn is 67 so I'm sure it will all tassel at the same time. Lol


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Re: Corn planting help. [Re: tomahawker] #6553859
06/12/19 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by tomahawker
Born and raised and still on the farm. No one ever gets soil tests done where Iím from but deer plot guys because thatís what the commercials say to do. Yes theyíre helpful, yes as a professional farmer Iíve got soil samples on my fields. But Never has anyone Iíve ever known got soil samples for their garden or truck patch. First tip- donít plant where nothing grows. Second tip- find most luxurious growth of grass and weeds thatís where garden goes. Third tip- hog,chicken, cattle manure is your fertilizer, simply work it in.

I like the way you think - manure is awesome.

Re: Corn planting help. [Re: run] #6554050
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If possible it would be best to plant each variety in separate shorter row blocks so that pollination will not be crossed. Yes there are 3 weeks of separation and that is good amount of time but being planted this late in the season the plants do make adjustments and move quicker as you are in the time frame with way more GDUs per day now than when typically planted in say early to mid May. The major difference in corn maturity days comes during the emergence silking time and those number of days are based quite a bit on the amount of flint corn genetics the corn has to grow in the cooler weather versus warmer weather. Now that you will be passed those shorter growing degree days the longer day variety will move faster toward silk phase. I don't know how sweet corn compares to field corn in those regards but I am guessing there is a high correlation as they have many later maturing varieties of sweet corn as well.

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