Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ?
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https://www.hunter-ed.com/gun-safety/THE 4 RULES OF FIREARM SAFETY 1 Always treat every firearm as though it is loaded. The phrase “it’s unloaded” should never pass your lips and should never be trusted from someone else’s. Unless you are preparing to shoot, your first action with any firearm in all situations should be to point the muzzle in a safe direction, check the chamber, and clear the firearm. 2 Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. It might help to think of the muzzle as a laser pointer—and everything it points toward is in danger. Never let the muzzle cover anything you’re not willing to destroy. Regarding the “safe direction”: don’t forget the possibility of a ricochet! 3 Keep your finger outside the trigger guard until ready to shoot. The best way to prevent accidental discharge is to keep your trigger finger indexed along the frame of the firearm until your sights are on the target. Do not place your finger inside the trigger guard until you’re ready to pull the trigger. 4 Always be sure of your target and what is in front of it and behind it. Know the identifying features of the game you hunt. If you pull the trigger, you cannot take back the bullet! Everything and everyone in front of, near, and beyond your target is your responsibility. Make sure you have an adequate backstop and never shoot at a flat, hard surface or water.
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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ?
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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I love my AR. I'm not sure it's the right rifle for a first time shooter. A lot of shooting issues come from being nervous about the gun. An AR looks scary and is really, really loud.
I like to start new shooters on a .22. We quickly work our way up if they are comfortable with each step
-Ryan NRA firearms instructor.
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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ?
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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The mechanics of firing a shot that 52Carl mentioned will be the same. However, an AR typically has a different grip, comb and forend than most other guns. A typical .22 rifle might be a better choice for that reason, plus a couple others. Less buy-in for the new shooter if they decide they want a gun of their own, and ammo is 1/5 the price as well. The .223/5.56 can also be pretty loud.
A lefty might also be put off by the brass coming back at their face, as well as the gases that come along with it.
They sure are fun though, just finished my first build a few weeks ago and already it's my favorite gun.
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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ?
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a dedicated 22lr upper would be nice for ammo cost savings , the BCG conversions work but not as accurate when you get faster twist rifles. I would take or send them to an Appleseed people will seldom dedicate two 8 hour days to marksmanship but committing to an Appleseed shoot makes that easier . the program also presents solid rifle marksmanship , steady hold factors and 6 steps to firing a shot breaking it down to very teachable steps. there is certainly nothing wrong with teaching on the AR it can be very comfortable , with adjustable stocks it is actually very easy to make the rifle fit them. the manual of arms isn't difficult. I agree hundreds of cycles of dry fire , I believe the Marines call it snapping in , I have heard they will spend 5 days at the range and not add ammo till day 4. if you could have an ideal training platform dedicated 22lr upper set up just like your 5.56 upper but that is more than some have to spend. start prone , build a good foundation , support hand open it is just a platform ,support arm under the rifle , loop sling Goldilocks tight , trigger knee up to get off the diaphragm , turkey neck and drop cheek-weld , c shaped trigger finger , middle of the first section of the trigger finger on the middle of the trigger. feet flat not up on toes , here is a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM4inXuzqrw
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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ?
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Just my opinion...........but teach them first to shoot the M1A. They will then appreciate the reduced recoil of the AR and also realize what a horrible platform the AR truly is !
Wish I had one lol !
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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ?
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No problem. All of the same principles apply. One change - one cartridge in the clip.
Be cautious and teach using the Socratic method - by asking questions.
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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ?
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I love my AR. I'm not sure it's the right rifle for a first time shooter. A lot of shooting issues come from being nervous about the gun. An AR looks scary and is really, really loud.
I like to start new shooters on a .22. We quickly work our way up if they are comfortable with each step
-Ryan NRA firearms instructor. This what I would do also and have done to teach someone on fire arms. After said and done they will know the basic of all types of guns
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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ?
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pump BB gun is what I start my kids on - shoot until they are comfortable and send them on their own. Son brought back his first two squirrels last year with bb gun and now he has a single shot .22 - no rush, they need to learn all actions from pump, single shot, lever, bolt, how to safely midcock and decock a lever action, work a bolt fully etc before I hand someone an AR
you would be surprised by the number of people that shoot a gun and then stand there trying to shoot again without working an action.......or those that I don't want to be near when working a lever gun
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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ?
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It works well,my 7 year old can handle the.recoil and sight alignment. Whatever gun you use, make it fun and start slow. We start out kids by just having them blast into the side of a hill. No aight alignment or proper grip or knowledge of how to load or charge a gun necessary. Just make it fun. Then we work up to shooting pop cans at 5 feet, just so they're hitting something. Things like sight alignment, loading, proper grip, breath control, etc etc can come later. Going slow and making it fun, and not work, are what's important. Don't use a nice gun, because they'll probably drop it or scratch it. Pistols above .22 only get one round, because recoil is usually sharper and unexpected, and we don't want accidents with guns pointing the wrong way. Only two kids can go on a shooting trip,because I only have two hands if things get really crazy. (Kids love to pick up empties and don't always pay attention). Obviously safety is Paramount and safety rules must be followed, 100% no exemptions, I'm kind of a "range Nazi" with the kids, because they need to learn the four safety rules fast.
Keep in mind this is what I do with a 5 year old, adults can obviously handle a little more than what a 5 year old can handle. Dry firing at home helps with learning safety, and kids like shooting .22s because hearing protection isn't necessarily required.
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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ?
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Wolfdog, an adult, like your girlfriend, can learn to shoot safely and accurately with your ar the same way tens of thousands of young adults are taught to safely and accurately shoot in military boot camp. Teaching an adult is much different than teaching a child. Teach her the same way the military teachs people. Start with an unloaded firearm. Firearm safety rules. Teach her the nomenclature of each part. Disassembly cleaning reassembly. Firearm safety rules. Then dry fire then live ammo.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ?
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I'd start anyone on a single shot bolt action .22, if possible; simple, with light recoil and lets the concentration be applied to fundamentals. Agree with white17. This
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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ?
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single shots are good and bad , good from the one and done shot stand point
slow for training because they spend so much time getting in and out of position , not saying that at some point lots of repetition getting in and out of position is all bad it is good. but a single shot leaves you with a dedicated single gun.
it is more cost effective and time efficient to use a semi auto and load 1 round until they are ready for more , then they can stay in position and work on sight alignment , sight picture , respiratory pause , front sight focus, trigger squeeze and follow through
my opinion first 5 magazines contain 1 round , then next 5 contain 2 rounds , then next few 3 rounds , I feel this is a bit less critical with 22lr rifles but extremely important in hand guns not that uncommon when a person tries a center fire pistol for the first time that you may want to stand behind them and catch the then empty gun. or start shooting in the grass encase they drop the gun and for it to only have 1 round until they are comfortable with it. one of the many reasons I hate magazine disconnects. if you charge the gun from the magazine then remove the mag you can't accidentally have a second round in that mag.
also every gun need a minimum of 2 magazines 3 or more is ideal.
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