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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #6541634
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
So what's everyone's thoughts on teaching someone to shoot ( well the basics of marksmenship and weapons safety) on the AR platform ?


If it is high make them wear a safety harness in case they fall off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #6541705
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ammo cost more but since when does a 223 have any recoil?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #6541754
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I think if I had been introduced to the AR15 as my first gun, I'd still be throwing rocks, but by the same token as Danny said you can teach someone to shoot anything by military methods- the Navy taught me the .30 BAR and 5"-38cal canons.

Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #6542151
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I would start small with a Ruger 10-22 or something.
A Ruger Single Six in 22 lr./22 mag. is a great pistol to teach someone new.

Whatever you decide don't let her shoot anything with a lot of recoil... you'll be sorry.

Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #6542314
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I love my smith and Wesson mp .22. It would be a great gun to teach with. It works the same as other ar platform guns do. Cost is cheap to shoot.


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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ? [Re: 1crazytrapper] #6542346
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Originally Posted by 1crazytrapper
I love my smith and Wesson mp .22. It would be a great gun to teach with. It works the same as other ar platform guns do. Cost is cheap to shoot.



it was and it was getting very popular at Project Appleseed events and in Scholastic action shooting , and is now banned from both because it fires out of battery sending shrapnel and hot gasses out the ejection port. S&W issued a recall saying the chambers were out of spec and send your gun in and have it checked. that was great till a checked rifle fired out of battery at a Scholastic Youth Action Shooting event.

keep it clean and don't shoot left handed or next to anyone and it should probably never hurt you. but when your at shoot and lined up 50 people wide with about 6 inches between shooting mats it was too much of a liability.


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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #6542683
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by 1crazytrapper
I love my smith and Wesson mp .22. It would be a great gun to teach with. It works the same as other ar platform guns do. Cost is cheap to shoot.



it was and it was getting very popular at Project Appleseed events and in Scholastic action shooting , and is now banned from both because it fires out of battery sending shrapnel and hot gasses out the ejection port. S&W issued a recall saying the chambers were out of spec and send your gun in and have it checked. that was great till a checked rifle fired out of battery at a Scholastic Youth Action Shooting event.

keep it clean and don't shoot left handed or next to anyone and it should probably never hurt you. but when your at shoot and lined up 50 people wide with about 6 inches between shooting mats it was too much of a liability.

wow that's too bad. I have never had any of that with mine nor have i had a recall sent to me. That would be a bad deal getting flak in someone's face! Would make a first time shooter not want to shoot again.


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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #6542698
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here is the notice https://www.smith-wesson.com/mp15-22-consumer-safety-alert

unless you registered your gun with S&W they have no idea who has it.

exactly , Appleseed operates at ranges nation wide , often with new shooters , having an injury is a big deal

S&W was notified of the issue and was slow to respond examples of the issue in fall 2015 and more 2016 Appleseed temporarily banned it 2016 and notified S&W with the details and ammo brand and lot, it was just earlier this year that it happened at a Scholastic action shooting practice , a coach recived only minor injuries but the gun was checked before and after and had been found to be in spec , replacing the trigger pins with anti walk pins was suggested as a resolution but when done the gun still fired out of battery specifically when shooting of the reset

fast forward to 2019 https://mailchi.mp/sssfonline/19_sasp_update_equipment_safety_alert-628477?e=509cd41db8

it may be that the two things these programs share are both teach shooting off the reset as is also commonly taught for high power rifle competition with the CMP, and high round counts.

the rifle was so ideal for the type of shooting taught that Appleseed partnered with Tippman Arms and they are now building a M4 style 22lr rifle. https://mailchi.mp/tippmannarms.com/projectappleseedm4-22_member


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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #6542715
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I might have to reserve one of those. Looks like its going to be a nice build.


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Re: Teaching Someone to shoot on the AR-15 platform ? [Re: 1crazytrapper] #6542723
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several instructors have been running them a few months now and had good things to say about them.

things I have heard people do so far , replace the hand-guard with an aluminum one mostly for feel , and put a drop in trigger in to improve the trigger more but they are shooing plenty well enough to qualify rifleman right out of the box.

my most recent LTR is a 10/22
caught a sale at Fleet Farm 249.99 had to get a rain check and come back , also signed up for the credit card 10%off took it down to 225 as the delux it started before the sale at 359
replace sling loops with studs , add a GI web sling with uncle mikes style swivels
installed an extend scope rail with 20moa elevation not because it is needed but because some friends like to have 22lr shoots at 200 yards so if 20moa is no added cost better to add it now than buy twice. I do need the extended rail to get it far enough forward for me.
installed vortex crossfire 2-7x32 BDC
I may eventually sand out the barrel channel and glass bed the action like I have done with another , but I need to get around to shooting it myself so far my son and another orange hat have used it.


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