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We had a cop who was a Muslim shoot an unarmed woman who had called in a possible rape. He was found guilty of murder. In this case, political correctness was the culprit as they rushed to get a minority into the police force who wasn't well enough trained to handle the job. It cost the city of Mpls 20M.
We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
Re: Trigger-Happy Cop Indicted
[Re: Lugnut]
#6542630 05/23/1911:49 AM05/23/1911:49 AM
Looking up the story to the best I could I found the following.
The suspects (later "victims") were pulled over (possible traffic violation?) Before speeding away the officer that pulled over the suspects seen a gun in the car. (did they point it at her or brandish it in a threatening manner?) The officer that did the shooting claims to have seen the gun in the car. (disputed because of tinted windows) It was later confirmed that there was a loaded gun in the car.
It seems to me a lot of information is being withheld and I would be cautious to point a finger at the officer at this point.
Do a little more research. There are YouTube videos showing his partner repeatedly telling him to stay in the car and the shooter repeatedly ignoring him and jumping out to shoot into the vehicle. It happened three times a different locations until the cop finally killed the driver and wounded the passenger. At no time was there a threat to any of the officers.
This is why I no longer carry when working in NJ. It's not so much the two-year minimum prison sentence just for being in possession of a handgun but the fact that some NJ cops seem to want to execute anyone suspected of being in possession of a handgun.
Regardless of whether or not a gun was present, a car driving away (or running away) doesn't present an imminent threat to your safety. The mere presence of a gun shouldn't indicate a threat either, not everyone with a gun is a homicidal maniac bent on murdering any passing fool. I suppose one could make an argument that these goons were going to drive off and run someone over or possibly even shoot them in the chaos, but that's kind of a stretch. Officers shouldn't have the same standard as anyone else for self defense, that being imminent bodily harm/death. Officers don't however, have the choice to run away or not get involved in deadly situations the way an average person does, so that puts them in situations where that line (imminent bodily harm/death) can get a little fuzzy.
At no time was there a threat to any of the officers.
What about the first officer who seen the gun? Why did she see it? Was it brandished or pointed at her? How was the gun found after the shooting, could it have been seen by the officer through the window?
I feel like there is more to this story than is being let out
Ok pump the brakes lugnut. There have been thousands of cars shot into by law enforce that are speeding away IF and WHEN the people in the car are known to have a gun. DON'T hang the guy just yet. Put yourself in LEO shoes. Someone paying you 40-50 K a year to deal with thugs that at any minute could end your life. ASK this !!! Why didn't they stop? Why did they run?
Plus NO THREAT ???? You are kidding right? TWO thugs driving at high speed in a residentiual neighborhood...... Geez you get dropped when you were young ???????
Better to shoot a couple idiots speeding through town than to see an innocent get hit and killed by a car.
So speeding is a capital offense where you're from?
Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Ok pump the brakes lugnut. There have been thousands of cars shot into by law enforce that are speeding away IF and WHEN the people in the car are known to have a gun. DON'T hang the guy just yet. Put yourself in LEO shoes. Someone paying you 40-50 K a year to deal with thugs that at any minute could end your life. ASK this !!! Why didn't they stop? Why did they run?
Plus NO THREAT ???? You are kidding right? TWO thugs driving at high speed in a residentiual neighborhood...... Geez you get dropped when you were young ???????
Your estimate seemed low to me because our town police usually make the high $50,000's after getting out of the academy and our State Troopers make mid $70,000 after a few years. I looked at the national average and it is just under $50,000. .... Geez pretty low considering some of the things they deal with.
Who is John Galt?
You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.
Do a little more research. There are YouTube videos showing his partner repeatedly telling him to stay in the car and the shooter repeatedly ignoring him and jumping out to shoot into the vehicle. It happened three times a different locations until the cop finally killed the driver and wounded the passenger. At no time was there a threat to any of the officers.
This is why I no longer carry when working in NJ. It's not so much the two-year minimum prison sentence just for being in possession of a handgun but the fact that some NJ cops seem to want to execute anyone suspected of being in possession of a handgun.
I have seen off duty New Jersey and Maryland police harass people carrying a pistol in Delaware. They get all uppity and talk about how in Maryland and New Jersey only the police carry (well and the criminals). They don't like it when you tell them anyone legally aloud to own a gun can carry a gun openly and be fully within their rights. Hopefully one day we will get constitutional carry and wont have to have special permission to conceal carry, because a shirt is a magic device that somehow makes it more special.
Who is John Galt?
You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.
Ok pump the brakes lugnut. There have been thousands of cars shot into by law enforce that are speeding away IF and WHEN the people in the car are known to have a gun. DON'T hang the guy just yet. Put yourself in LEO shoes. Someone paying you 40-50 K a year to deal with thugs that at any minute could end your life. ASK this !!! Why didn't they stop? Why did they run?
Plus NO THREAT ???? You are kidding right? TWO thugs driving at high speed in a residentiual neighborhood...... Geez you get dropped when you were young ???????
Knowing there is a gun in the car should not be a reason for a cop to open fire. I carry a gun every day and there is always one in my car...except when I'm in Jersey where it is apparently now a capital offense. Speeding is usually not considered a capital offence either. It seems a grand jury and the Essex County prosecutor agree with me.
Better to shoot a couple idiots speeding through town than to see an innocent get hit and killed by a car.
Maybe instead of catching speeders with radar guns, cops should just shoot speeders with real guns? Anyone clocked going more than 15 over the speed limit, just get out the patrol rifle and let 'em have it, because it'd be better to shoot a speeding idiot?
The two people shot by the police officer were suspects in a shooting of 4 teenage girls, who were at a vigil. The car they were in had been identified as the vehicle driven by the shooter. One of the girls died a couple of days later from being shot in the head. At the time it sounded like the the surviving man who was shot, was going to be charged with the murder and shooting. I don't know if he was ever charged.
The two men, who were shot, should of pulled over and complied with police. The death of the one man is undoubtedly good for society. If both died it would of been better for society.
The cop probably should of been charged. The cop should probably get off.
Ok pump the brakes lugnut. There have been thousands of cars shot into by law enforce that are speeding away IF and WHEN the people in the car are known to have a gun. DON'T hang the guy just yet. Put yourself in LEO shoes. Someone paying you 40-50 K a year to deal with thugs that at any minute could end your life. ASK this !!! Why didn't they stop? Why did they run?
Plus NO THREAT ???? You are kidding right? TWO thugs driving at high speed in a residentiual neighborhood...... Geez you get dropped when you were young ???????
Can we stop acting like I was inferring that speeding is a capital offense? There is a clear difference between speeding and trying to evade police, lets not play dumb and try to point out possible small flaws in someones argument while ignoring the crux of it.
The two people shot by the police officer were suspects in a shooting of 4 teenage girls, who were at a vigil. The car they were in had been identified as the vehicle driven by the shooter. One of the girls died a couple of days later from being shot in the head. At the time it sounded like the the surviving man who was shot, was going to be charged with the murder and shooting. I don't know if he was ever charged.
The two men, who were shot, should of pulled over and complied with police. The death of the one man is undoubtedly good for society. If both died it would of been better for society.
The cop probably should of been charged. The cop should probably get off.
Keith
Well that explains why I could not easily find more information on the case.
Thanks for the full story. Pretty sick of the media pushing a narrative though selective reporting of facts.
The two people shot by the police officer were suspects in a shooting of 4 teenage girls, who were at a vigil. The car they were in had been identified as the vehicle driven by the shooter. One of the girls died a couple of days later from being shot in the head. At the time it sounded like the the surviving man who was shot, was going to be charged with the murder and shooting. I don't know if he was ever charged.
The two men, who were shot, should of pulled over and complied with police. The death of the one man is undoubtedly good for society. If both died it would of been better for society.
The cop probably should of been charged. The cop should probably get off.
Keith
Good information, and puts a whole different spin on things. Context is important, and I think it's pretty common for the real facts to not come out in a police shooting. Thank you for the info.
