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Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? #6543532
05/25/19 02:18 AM
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In one State , they are requiring a Building Permit to install a......

DISHWASHER !!!

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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543534
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It’s all about control of the population and money.


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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543542
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That raises the value of the home. Then they can raise taxes!


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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543548
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You have to PAY to get your permit. That is the only reason.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543553
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What state is doing that?

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543569
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Same people that came up with a dog license


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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543582
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It's to ensure you make a high loop with the drain line so when your drain backs up it doesn't fill your dishwasher with nasty stuff, and to make sure it's wired up properly so your wife doesn't kill herself when she touches it with wet hands. I'm not sayin I agree with it, that's just the reason. They require plumbing permits them here for all kinds of stuff..... dishwashers, garbage disposals, washing machines, drinking fountains, sinks, etc. I doubt most people actually get them.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543592
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The real reason for permits is money and control.

The excuse is safety and workmanship standards to protect the ignorant from themselves.


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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543603
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Had to get a building permit to TEAR DOWN a garage. I think it was free or very little $, but I thought the guy from our township municipality was joking when he showed up at my house.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: QuietButDeadly] #6543609
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Originally Posted by QuietButDeadly
The real reason for permits is money and control.

The excuse is safety and workmanship standards to protect the ignorant from themselves.


Exactly right.

It really burns me to have to buy permission from the local government to build, repair or improve something on my own property. So, often times, I just do it without their permission.


Eh...wot?

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Marathon] #6543614
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I have a hunting camp and was tired of keeping my wheelbarrow and tools in the outhouse. Had Amish build me
a rough cut lumber shed and it was delivered finished. Within several weeks I was notified that I needed to purchase a $10.00 building permit
for the shed(by the township my camp is in). Not the money just the principle.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543627
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We the people don't like to have the neighbor burn down our city because he has the idea that he can wire the dishwasher adequately just because the hardware store will sell him wire, so we the people demand that safe standards are met to prevent that Idiot from setting his house on fire and the conflagration spreading like the O'Leary cow's lantern did.
Enforcement of those safe standards requires a permit just so that the inspectors know that the Darwin Award Guy is attempting to violate all the Codes and can than check that Idiot Neighbor out and possibly prevent him burning your house and city down.
There is also a property value thing that depends on building standards.

It may not make sense to those that are participating in the Darwin competition but the majority of Property Owners demand protection from that competition. ,

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543632
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And the Darwin Award Guy is going to bother to get a permit?

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: tjm] #6543635
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Originally Posted by tjm
We the people don't like to have the neighbor burn down our city because he has the idea that he can wire the dishwasher adequately just because the hardware store will sell him wire, so we the people demand that safe standards are met to prevent that Idiot from setting his house on fire and the conflagration spreading like the O'Leary cow's lantern did.
Enforcement of those safe standards requires a permit just so that the inspectors know that the Darwin Award Guy is attempting to violate all the Codes and can than check that Idiot Neighbor out and possibly prevent him burning your house and city down.
There is also a property value thing that depends on building standards.

It may not make sense to those that are participating in the Darwin competition but the majority of Property Owners demand protection from that competition. ,


Anyone can hire a licensed individual to wire something up. A permit is just another way for the government to rob you.


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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: trapdog1] #6543637
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
And the Darwin Award Guy is going to bother to get a permit?


Probably not, which why hammers, screw drivers and building materials should only be sold to licensed professionals. If you did remodel or insurance repairs in an average large city for a few years you would understand. Without building codes and permits you would not be anble to buy homeowner's or renter's insurance.
I live in the country so if you burn your place it doesn't cost me to put the fire out or clean up your rubble, i therefore do not require you get a permit; but I used to work in a city and i fully understand why the taxpayers would want the protection of codes and permits.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #6543639
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Originally Posted by Sprung&Rusty

Anyone can hire a licensed individual to wire something up. A permit is just another way for the government to rob you.

No, the permit is to insure that you do hire that pro or that you do the job in accordance with the codes. Guaranteed that the enforcement inspections and paperwork cost the taxpayers more than the permit brings in.

I do think diy code violators are great for the economy and for years my work depended on them screwing stuff up. It's those property owners and taxpayers that want protection and insurance.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543653
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A permit might be necessary for city-dwellers but out here in the country we don't need no guberment man telling us how to do it right!


Eh...wot?

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543660
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getting a permit and inspection is cheap insurance


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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543668
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Permits do not always ensure good work. My electrical panel was installed in 2007, with a permit, signed off by the electrical inspector. Electrical codes require all the circuit breakers to be properly labeled, but there are some circuit breakers labeled "pool", when the pool hasn't been in use or hooked up since the late 70's. There are double pole breakers (220V circuits) with no tie-bar on the breakers. There's still knob and tube wiring, with 5 feet of romex coming out of the box hooked up to the knob and tube wiring. There's a shutoff outside by the meter, which technically makes the breaker panel a subpanel, and the grounds and neutrals should be separated, they're not, and there's no ground rod or bonding to the water pipes or gas pipes, or ground wire to the main shutoff by the meter. It's a mess, I'm not sure how it could have ever gotten signed off on.

About a year ago I replaced the main beam and columns in my basement. The old beam was a 6x6 that was so termite damaged I could easily push a butter knife all the way through it, and the columns were the same. I made a built up beam of 2x12s and used proper steel tube columns, with proper footings that I had to cut the floor and pour concrete for. Tons of work, and an enourmous mess, but worth it, and saved a ton of money. I got a permit for it, and when the inspector came over to look at it after I was done, he looked around for all of two minutes and said it was good to go. I did a ton of research and know I did good up to code work, but it would have been easy for him to miss things.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: tjm] #6543670
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Originally Posted by tjm
Originally Posted by Sprung&Rusty

Anyone can hire a licensed individual to wire something up. A permit is just another way for the government to rob you.

No, the permit is to insure that you do hire that pro or that you do the job in accordance with the codes. Guaranteed that the enforcement inspections and paperwork cost the taxpayers more than the permit brings in.

I do think diy code violators are great for the economy and for years my work depended on them screwing stuff up. It's those property owners and taxpayers that want protection and insurance.

Then why aren't they free? Close by it will cost you about 4500.00 in permits to build a house.

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