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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543674
05/25/19 10:44 AM
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Wonder how they knew someone was installing a dishwasher? I don’t know if my state requires a permit for projects or not...we just do what needs done.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: tjm] #6543690
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Originally Posted by tjm
We the people don't like to have the neighbor burn down our city because he has the idea that he can wire the dishwasher adequately just because the hardware store will sell him wire, so we the people demand that safe standards are met to prevent that Idiot from setting his house on fire and the conflagration spreading like the O'Leary cow's lantern did.
Enforcement of those safe standards requires a permit just so that the inspectors know that the Darwin Award Guy is attempting to violate all the Codes and can than check that Idiot Neighbor out and possibly prevent him burning your house and city down.
There is also a property value thing that depends on building standards.

It may not make sense to those that are participating in the Darwin competition but the majority of Property Owners demand protection from that competition. ,


Burn down the whole city? Maybe society (with their group mind ) should have figured out spacing. I am not a license professional and have wired places all over out here. Almost 30 years and no fires yet. No permits either. Wiring is not rocket science.


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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: tjm] #6543696
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Originally Posted by tjm
... hammers, screw drivers and building materials should only be sold to licensed professionals.

WHOA!!!!!!!! shocked shocked shocked


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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543700
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So the permit is designed to save you from yourself. As long as you pay for it, of course.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543721
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Should have a background check for nails and screws.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543726
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A permit for the safety of the public? I think that is as much a myth as Mrs. O'Leary's cow. I am of the "money grab" mindset. One of my oldest friends, a builder I worked for many years ago, always used to belly-ache non-stop about the various building inspectors, etc., etc. This guy was a very good builder, so their was never any re-do type incidents, it was the whole money aspect of things. Well, toss in a few more years and a heart attack......my old pal is now the building inspector for quite a swath of territory! His pay IS the money from the permits, and he said he wishes he went to that job years earlier because it is a much better way to make much more money.
If all I want from life is a tar-paper shack on a little ground, then that is exactly what I should be able to build for myself. It is a thing of the past now. A retired game warden friend of mine always wanted an old timey northwoods hunt/fish camp in the eastern U.P. He bought a great chunk of land along a fantastic brookie stream back in the middle of nowhere....perfect! Well, by the time he'd jumped through all the zoning rules, his simple camp with gas lights and a handpump and outhouse had morphed into a fully AC wired and fully plumbed small house with a driven deep-water well and submersible pump and septic system (read several grand for the well drilling alone). He hated the place. It represented everything he wanted to forget about when he went to his camp. He sold it not too long after he finished it.

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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543734
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I don't advocate permits, or building codes, I made my living for a while cleaning up and rebuilding behind failed idiots. I just tried to explain how codes came to be.

Not all inspectors even know the codes, quite often they get the job by being a Brother in Law. If that bothers you, you should advocate that only licensed tradesmen can become inspectors.

Fact remains insurance companies and majority of property owners believe codes keep standards up. The fact that we have codes and code enforcement proves this is a democracy rather than the mythical Republic.

Personally, I think every body is entitled to burn a couple houses and a few businesses down, just to keep the fire marshals and fire fighters employed and off the regular welfare rolls. Creates jobs cleaning up the rubble and land filling the debris and of course real estate opportunities for the reuse of the land.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543746
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My main issue with code is how a lot of it is formulated. The National Electrical code isn't always written with safety in mind... The code making panel is comprised of fire prevention gurus (NFPA) electrical contractors/installers, manufacturers, etc...

I've seen a few things in the code that tell me that some of the methods and materials required by code are the result of people who have a vested interest in selling those methods and materials.

Safety should be the primary motivator, not using some obscure article to force me to purchase extraneous material.

Mike


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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543750
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When my daughter and SIL put a house on our farm I had to get
building permit
well permit
septic permit THEN
building inspection fee
well inspection fee
septic inspection fee
THEN
waited 2 weeks after everything passed and had to call why we couldn't turn the power on
they said we hadn't paid the $3500 IMPACT FEE for our impacting the county
I called and said "this farm has been in our family since 1894 and we are impacting our own personal property"
YEP, they said, send us payment.
CROOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEN we had to put a real street sign on our driveway since now there were 3 "domiciles" on the road......so had to get all landowners along our 1/2 mile driveway to agree to a name and sign the petition, which then goes before the county commissioners for approval....BUT THAT WAS ALL FREE


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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Mike in A-town] #6543753
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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
My main issue with code is how a lot of it is formulated. The National Electrical code isn't always written with safety in mind... The code making panel is comprised of fire prevention gurus (NFPA) electrical contractors/installers, manufacturers, etc...

I've seen a few things in the code that tell me that some of the methods and materials required by code are the result of people who have a vested interest in selling those methods and materials.

Safety should be the primary motivator, not using some obscure article to force me to purchase extraneous material.

Mike


Unions are behind a lot of local codes too. Chicago won't allow the use of romex (at least no more than 6 continuous feet of romex), everything's gotta be in conduit. They won't allow pex either. The electrical and plumbing unions insist on these because it makes more work for them, and prevents homeowners from doing a lot of their own work, not for any legitimate safety reason. Most of the whole country uses romex, and pex has been used in Europe for something like 50 years.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543756
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In a township near me they installed bullet-proof glass in the borough office after an irate citizen threatened them.

When you go in there and look to your left the entire wall is covered with application forms for permits for for things like sheds, dog houses, inflatable pools, hanging a sign on your property...

You know, the stuff that could really cause damage to a neighborhood or city if not done right and properly inspected.


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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543766
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Oh Know ! I plumbed three cabins with pex last year after I wired them. Maybe the leaks will put out the fire?


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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543772
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Unions were the ones that got trades licensed in the first place. Much of our daily pita is union related.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Dirt] #6543773
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Oh Know ! I plumbed three cabins with pex last year after I wired them. Maybe the leaks will put out the fire?

When the communists and socialists and fascists take over, you'll find out the pex caused the fires.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543774
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tjm ....you got that right!

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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543788
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Building codes and permits have killed creativity subjecting us to live in a world of indistinguishable houses made for undistinguished people. Only the rich can afford to express themselves and distinguish themselves now.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543812
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So it was in all of history.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Pike River] #6543817
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Originally Posted by Pike River
Should have a background check for nails and screws.


And a waiting period. And a permit to carry them, of course.

Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6543831
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Building codes and permits have killed creativity subjecting us to live in a world of indistinguishable houses made for undistinguished people. Only the rich can afford to express themselves and distinguish themselves now.


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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea?? [Re: Canvasback2] #6543840
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Did not read all the posts but I'm in a conflict of interest. Our code officer is also the tax assessor.

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