Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea??
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We the people don't like to have the neighbor burn down our city because he has the idea that he can wire the dishwasher adequately just because the hardware store will sell him wire, so we the people demand that safe standards are met to prevent that Idiot from setting his house on fire and the conflagration spreading like the O'Leary cow's lantern did. Enforcement of those safe standards requires a permit just so that the inspectors know that the Darwin Award Guy is attempting to violate all the Codes and can than check that Idiot Neighbor out and possibly prevent him burning your house and city down. There is also a property value thing that depends on building standards.
It may not make sense to those that are participating in the Darwin competition but the majority of Property Owners demand protection from that competition. , Burn down the whole city? Maybe society (with their group mind ) should have figured out spacing. I am not a license professional and have wired places all over out here. Almost 30 years and no fires yet. No permits either. Wiring is not rocket science.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea??
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05/25/19 12:04 PM
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A permit for the safety of the public? I think that is as much a myth as Mrs. O'Leary's cow. I am of the "money grab" mindset. One of my oldest friends, a builder I worked for many years ago, always used to belly-ache non-stop about the various building inspectors, etc., etc. This guy was a very good builder, so their was never any re-do type incidents, it was the whole money aspect of things. Well, toss in a few more years and a heart attack......my old pal is now the building inspector for quite a swath of territory! His pay IS the money from the permits, and he said he wishes he went to that job years earlier because it is a much better way to make much more money. If all I want from life is a tar-paper shack on a little ground, then that is exactly what I should be able to build for myself. It is a thing of the past now. A retired game warden friend of mine always wanted an old timey northwoods hunt/fish camp in the eastern U.P. He bought a great chunk of land along a fantastic brookie stream back in the middle of nowhere....perfect! Well, by the time he'd jumped through all the zoning rules, his simple camp with gas lights and a handpump and outhouse had morphed into a fully AC wired and fully plumbed small house with a driven deep-water well and submersible pump and septic system (read several grand for the well drilling alone). He hated the place. It represented everything he wanted to forget about when he went to his camp. He sold it not too long after he finished it.
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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea??
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My main issue with code is how a lot of it is formulated. The National Electrical code isn't always written with safety in mind... The code making panel is comprised of fire prevention gurus (NFPA) electrical contractors/installers, manufacturers, etc...
I've seen a few things in the code that tell me that some of the methods and materials required by code are the result of people who have a vested interest in selling those methods and materials.
Safety should be the primary motivator, not using some obscure article to force me to purchase extraneous material.
Mike
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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea??
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My main issue with code is how a lot of it is formulated. The National Electrical code isn't always written with safety in mind... The code making panel is comprised of fire prevention gurus (NFPA) electrical contractors/installers, manufacturers, etc...
I've seen a few things in the code that tell me that some of the methods and materials required by code are the result of people who have a vested interest in selling those methods and materials.
Safety should be the primary motivator, not using some obscure article to force me to purchase extraneous material.
Mike Unions are behind a lot of local codes too. Chicago won't allow the use of romex (at least no more than 6 continuous feet of romex), everything's gotta be in conduit. They won't allow pex either. The electrical and plumbing unions insist on these because it makes more work for them, and prevents homeowners from doing a lot of their own work, not for any legitimate safety reason. Most of the whole country uses romex, and pex has been used in Europe for something like 50 years.
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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea??
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In a township near me they installed bullet-proof glass in the borough office after an irate citizen threatened them.
When you go in there and look to your left the entire wall is covered with application forms for permits for for things like sheds, dog houses, inflatable pools, hanging a sign on your property...
You know, the stuff that could really cause damage to a neighborhood or city if not done right and properly inspected.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea??
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05/25/19 01:09 PM
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Oh Know ! I plumbed three cabins with pex last year after I wired them. Maybe the leaks will put out the fire?
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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea??
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Oh Know ! I plumbed three cabins with pex last year after I wired them. Maybe the leaks will put out the fire? When the communists and socialists and fascists take over, you'll find out the pex caused the fires.
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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea??
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Should have a background check for nails and screws. And a waiting period. And a permit to carry them, of course.
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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea??
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Building codes and permits have killed creativity subjecting us to live in a world of indistinguishable houses made for undistinguished people. Only the rich can afford to express themselves and distinguish themselves now. I didn't know I was rich?
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Re: Building Permit: Who came up with this idea??
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Did not read all the posts but I'm in a conflict of interest. Our code officer is also the tax assessor.
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