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The M14 was a terrible design!?! #6544368
05/26/19 02:50 PM
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This article is truly a giant dig against the M14 or M21.

Mine served me well as an engineer/heavy equipment operator.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/m14-us-military%E2%80%99s-worst-service-rifle-ever-59272

I believe a "SNOWFLAKE" writer. Probably never fired or even held one.

There were plenty of Marines that carried them.

Better than an M16 in house to house fighting when having to shoot through a wall.

Your $.02


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Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544370
05/26/19 02:55 PM
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We had the M -14's that were accurized with glass bedded barrels, trigger worked over and special optics. These were modified for us to shoot bomblets on airfields with significant stand-off in the event of an airfield attack. These were tack drivers.



Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544373
05/26/19 03:19 PM
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Can I have one, or are they sort of restricted ?


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Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: trapper les] #6544381
05/26/19 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by trapper les
Can I have one, or are they sort of restricted ?

You cant have a real m14 with the fun switch, but you can buy M1A's all day long and even the newer m21 which is just an accurized M1a.


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Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544382
05/26/19 03:47 PM
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Three shot bursts were almost to many shots. They are some climbing suckers on rock and roll!


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Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544383
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Marine Corps 69-72. Preferred the M-14 over the 16. My half cent.

Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544392
05/26/19 04:26 PM
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I wouldn't trade my M1A1 national match for a half dozen AR's !

Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544395
05/26/19 04:30 PM
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Lots of people out there that think they know something that don't I had a instructor at the Academy tell me my 1911 was a target gun. I just laughed and said it's been a battle weapon for over 100 years but OK! LOL


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Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544398
05/26/19 04:33 PM
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I've read the articles and seen the videos. Yes, there were some shenanigans pulled by army ordinance favoring a known and proven design M1/M14 vs the new untried FAL or radical AR10 but most of those articles are written by this generation's AR fanboys who have no clue what my father's generation deslt with with first generation M16s in southeast asia. The AR truly sucked arse and still did when I was issued one in the eighties. It's only now sixty years later with massive technological advances in metallurgy and machining (plus an ever decreasing need for individual musketry) that the AR design has stabilized into a complete functional weapon system. It still craps where it eats though.


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Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544418
05/26/19 05:34 PM
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The accuracy thing has long passed In the military. Now It's shoot as many rounds as fast as you can and hope you hit something.
Back In the day of the M1 Garand we were taught accuracy not spray and hope.


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Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544422
05/26/19 05:42 PM
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First article that popped up on that page for me was “Why Glock is superior to Sig Sauer”.

Lost all credibility right there.

Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: The Beav] #6544425
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Originally Posted by The Beav
The accuracy thing has long passed In the military. Now It's shoot as many rounds as fast as you can and hope you hit something.
Back In the day of the M1 Garand we were taught accuracy not spray and hope.



Suppressive fire is your friend and there’s no such thing as to much.

Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544428
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It use to be you blew them away before they got with In 300 yards. LOL


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Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: Boone Liane] #6544456
05/26/19 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
First article that popped up on that page for me was “Why Glock is superior to Sig Sauer”.

Lost all credibility right there.


I quit right after that. Clearly someone just making noise with zero experience or knowledge of the subject matter.

Last edited by Scuba1; 05/26/19 07:22 PM.

Let's go Brandon

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Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544475
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I'll be more than glad to take any that someone doesn't like.
My dad loved his M1 Garands but after firing a M14 he said he just found a better battle rifle .
Up close , he still prefered his M1a Thompson or a M2 carbine .


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Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544485
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I was too young to have went to Vietnam but I had relatives along with older friends that did.And I have yet,bar none,to hear one say he prefered the M-16 over the 14.Not one.I remember one guy I worked with who had been a LRRP(?) with the Marines in Vietnam tell me they trained with M-14s in boot camp,were issued the 16 overseas,and once in combat with them hated his so much he "lost" his, taking a M-2 carbine from a wounded ARVN and carried that the rest of his tour.


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Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544550
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I remember the first time I put an m-14 on full rock & roll, they said don't freeze up on the trigger,3 rounds, well 7 got down the pipe before I knew it. im pretty sure the last 3 were pointed at the moon lol. lots of fun though! even better when you don't have to pay for the ammo!

Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: 080808] #6544561
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Originally Posted by 080808
Marine Corps 69-72. Preferred the M-14 over the 16. My half cent.

X2 except the Marine part


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Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544577
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How could an improvement on the greatest battle implement ever devised be a terrible design?
Terrible for those on the receiving end perhaps.


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Re: The M14 was a terrible design!?! [Re: seniortrap] #6544598
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We carried the M-14 when I went over in March of 66. The 16's came in about half way through my tour. We kept the 14. 100% dependable. Very accurate and it took a beating. Many negative issues with the 16 and a lot of horror stories. Not the 14. 14's were heavier andyou carried a few less mags but we loved it. Bur then we Marines always seemed to get the good things last. lol


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