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now this is justice for all #6545921
05/29/19 06:54 AM
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york...ges-after-killing-2-burglars-in-his-home

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An upstate New York man was charged with felony possession of an illegal handgun after he fatally shot two people burglarizing his home Tuesday afternoon, police said.
Ronald A. Stolarczyk, 64, interrupted a 57-year-old woman and a 27-year-old man burglarizing his home in Deerfield, New York, about four hours north of New York City


Its time for scotus to put an end to this. This is the United States. Not Great Britton, Canada, Australia, or some other faction of Queen Elizabeth's monarchy. Its not France, Germany, or Italy or another signatory to the E.U.

We are a sovereign nation whose government is supposed to be reined in by the constitution. A document that recognizes an individuals right to be armed that is not to be infringed.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6545926
05/29/19 07:08 AM
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The article leaves out a huge detail, why was the gun "illegally" owned? Was he a felon, or did he just not satisfy the draconian requirements to own a gun in NY?

Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6545927
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Wushful thinking . All we can do is replace everyone in Government, but we have become the minority.


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Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6545936
05/29/19 07:43 AM
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If he is a felon, so deranged and dangerous he can not be allowed to protect his life and property, why is he not still in prison?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6545942
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
If he is a felon, so deranged and dangerous he can not be allowed to protect his life and property, why is he not still in prison?

I like that thought Danny


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Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6545946
05/29/19 08:06 AM
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I have already read it was reported as a "home invasion", but the police had dismissed it as a "home invasion". I'll wait for the whole story...


Let's go Brandon!
Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6545947
05/29/19 08:11 AM
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It surely seems the legs of justice are no longer equal. Not knowing the full story leaves some room for speculation. Wouldn't it be twist if the guy wrestled them and shot them with their own gun?

Danny not to derail this thread but can't help notice your thing at the bottom "Its time to end political parties ". Perhaps in another thread or something you could address that, and just how that would work. If its already been addressed then my apology, I've been busy in between rains and may have missed it.

Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6545951
05/29/19 08:18 AM
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According to the article and who knows just how accurate it is, the homeowner has only been charged with the crime of being armed. Being armed without permission in NY most certainly is a felony. Many other states as well. NY requires a license for a legal possession of a handgun even in the home.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6545954
05/29/19 08:32 AM
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That seems to be the deal Danny...The home owner does not have a NYS Pistol Permit for the hand gun he used in his home...


~Illegitimi Non Carborundum~
Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6545957
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So why does the Supreme Court appear to sanction this clear violation of the right to be armed? States have a lot of room to write state law but only within the framework of the U.S. constitution. Shall not be infringed.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6545959
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well it may very well be the next McDonald vs Chicago case , we will have to see I know nothing about it at this time.

it will be in the details.


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Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6545961
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Sounds like the robber had more/as much right to use a gun in a robbery than the victim.

Re: now this is justice for all [Re: k snow] #6545966
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Originally Posted by k snow
The article leaves out a huge detail, why was the gun "illegally" owned? Was he a felon, or did he just not satisfy the draconian requirements to own a gun in NY?


You know the second makes no distinction or prohibition on felons bearing arms. It was state laws that started that under the "black codes" that disarmed free blacks. It wasnt part of federal code until 1968.

Used to be you paid your dept then returned as a full citizen. If you couldn't you hung.
The day is coming when all of us will run afoul of some technicality with the ever growing regulation, then what?


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Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6545967
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He could have gotten out of the whole mess, if he had just said that he wrestled the gun away from one of them after they broke into his place to rob him. In the fight for, and in fear for his life, he shot them both. Just had to say it was their gun. That is, if the gun was not registered to him , in the first place.

grin

Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6545969
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Guns are registared?

Re: now this is justice for all [Re: Canvasback2] #6545985
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Originally Posted by Canvasback2
He could have gotten out of the whole mess, if he had just said that he wrestled the gun away from one of them after they broke into his place to rob him. In the fight for, and in fear for his life, he shot them both. Just had to say it was their gun. That is, if the gun was not registered to him , in the first place.

grin



Yup, never talk to the police until after you talk to a good lawyer. Same thing for a traffic stop, give your required documents and exercise your right to privacy for all the 'usual' intrusive questions that do not have anything to do with the reason they stopped you.


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Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6546000
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Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6546058
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NYS makes it real hard to own a hand gun and NYC is even worse.


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Re: now this is justice for all [Re: Rat Masterson] #6546060
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.



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Re: now this is justice for all [Re: danny clifton] #6546063
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Looks like the shooter used a gun that he inherited when his father died, he never registered it.

https://www.wktv.com/content/news/I...-Deerfield-fatal-shooting-510564811.html

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