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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: Boco] #6547695
06/01/19 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Gang set-catch them all.


That's not bad for a old gandy dancer lol


Kenneth schoening
Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6548454
06/02/19 10:51 PM
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Chickens and several other critters have pecking orders. Whether or not coyote do I would not know. I set for them all. If there is an elusive large coyote that tickles my psychic I will put in a very inconspicuous blind trail set or a 'turds only' set a foot or two off his trail. Otherwise I will not waste my time trying for a particular animal.

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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: Boco] #6548537
06/03/19 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Gang set-catch them all.



Now there is a good idea.
Mac



Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6548648
06/03/19 10:17 AM
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The idea of an "alpha" is something made up by Nat Geo type people that give wolves names. Coyotes and wolves have a breeding pair that typically rule the roost.

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6548760
06/03/19 02:30 PM
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I agree - gang set


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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: Larry Baer] #6548761
06/03/19 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Baer
I agree - gang set

Always!!


Common sense catches alot of fur..
Pay homage to all you harvest..
Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6548800
06/03/19 04:27 PM
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That must have been why my coyote catch was off last year.....spent too much time trying to catch that darn alpha male first. LOL Or was it the weather????

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: Wanna Be] #6548834
06/03/19 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
I’m envious of those that have the populations of coyotes to attempt to target just adult coyotes. I find tracks that I can make out and make a set. Adult or pup, I don’t care. Just want to catch whatever wants to check it out.

Me too!

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: red mt] #6548836
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Originally Posted by red mt
Author trapper here is a.piece of advise.
Learn the basics then ,,, catch a 100 coyotes,,, by then you will have something that works FOR YOU then change things as needed.
As far as catching what coyote first there certain times a year to target the Male or female.
Always and never are tricky words.
Like all young males when you get 25 you will think that you are the alpha Male
just a some thoughts
have wonderful day

Thank you, red mt!

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6548897
06/03/19 08:16 PM
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Yep, Red nailed it..


Common sense catches alot of fur..
Pay homage to all you harvest..
Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6549040
06/03/19 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by red mt
Originally Posted by Boco
Gang set-catch them all.


That's not bad for a old gandy dancer lol


I haven't hear that term for quite some time, it's all in the hips right Boco! Lol


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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6549045
06/03/19 11:09 PM
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That's not bad for a old gandy dancer lol[/quote]

I haven't hear that term for quite some time, it's all in the hips right Boco! Lol
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That's one old gandy dancer to another lol


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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6549587
06/04/19 08:58 PM
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AuthorTrapper,
My Grandfather told me this...
"A wise man will seek out the council of experience - a fool thinks he knows everything".
You just keep asking questions - you're obviously wanting to refine your skill set and that's nothing at all to be sorry for.


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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6552634
06/10/19 12:21 PM
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Thank you, everyone for your answers and kind words!

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6552672
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Glass half full, eyes wide open bud. Never stop asking questions and learning.


Common sense catches alot of fur..
Pay homage to all you harvest..
Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6552753
06/10/19 05:13 PM
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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6553312
06/11/19 11:56 AM
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Man who coined the term "alpha male" no longer believes it is a useful way to understand wolf packs. https://youtu.be/tNtFgdwTsbU

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: TONY.F] #6553389
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Originally Posted by TONY.F
I don't believe yotes are as territorial as some think.Years of running hounds has proved that repeatedly. Sure they protect there core area but I think that's way smaller then one might think. Honestly I think the term alpha is used loosely in the yote world.



Depends on time of year too.

Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6553774
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when coyotes pair up to breed they get pretty serious about chasing off other k9's from the denning area till pups are about 3-4 months old.

I don't think they are "alphas" just cause they breed and will protect offspring whenever possible.

I guess you could call the pair that bred "alpha" so far as they relate to their pups. While pups are still pups. That to me is not pack behavior.

When 3-4 adults get together in bad winter weather to hunt deer or antelope I suppose that is pack behavior. when a kill is made they squabble constantly till its all ate. one may be able to keep everybody else from just quickly getting a belly full but its an ongoing contest. I SUSPECT when they group up like that they were littermates or littermates with parent(s).

The great dispersal that is such a hot topic doesn't happen like many think. Some pups do wander off. I don't believe they have a plan or a destination in mind. I don't Believe they are even capable of planning ahead. They certainly don't have any way of knowing whats over the hill till they cross it. Most pups live their whole life within 10-20 miles of where they were born.

An adult with pups that knows what a trap is, (which is a lot rarer than many think) will keep pups away during summer control work. Sometimes the lesson sticks and often it does not.



I never been to college or even finished high school. What I wrote though is what I have observed and concluded after chasing the things . Never trapped or hunted them east of the Mississippi but I have trapped/hunted them in the desert, in the prairie, in the sand hills, and in the rockies. It holds true in all those places.


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Re: Alpa male coyote? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6553801
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Good observations, Danny.

I think in most families the alpha or primary male member is the father of the family. Same is true of the female, mom is the main, primary or "alpha" female. Until the youngins grow up.
It was that way in all the neighbors' families .. Alpha is the first letter in the Greek alphabet- translates to "a", the first letter in our alphabet; and as such is use to denote the first or number one unit/member of a group.

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