Re: Minnesota Moose
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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06/08/19 08:50 PM
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Osky
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No, it will not come back. Bear hunting is being filtered out, wolves no more, the bone the state throws hunters is deer and that will gradually go away as well.
Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Minnesota Moose
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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06/08/19 09:00 PM
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Jurassic Park
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Deer will live in cities with humans. Moose will not. Deer are here to stay!
Cold as ice!
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Re: Minnesota Moose
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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06/08/19 09:01 PM
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trapper les
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I see a few moose tracks out south of Williams, and say, 10-15 miles north of Upper Red Lake every spring in beaver season. I think those forest fires in the last couple years helped. Kills the ticks and regenerates new growth.
I believe we need to hammer down on predators like bears and wolves though.
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: Minnesota Moose
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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06/08/19 09:52 PM
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Osky
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It's not about the animals or population cycles of them. The long term DNR management is not about hunting, fishing yes, but not hunting.
Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Minnesota Moose
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06/09/19 11:52 AM
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walleye101
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i used to go up to the babbit and ely area bear hunting years back, loved that area . often thought i would like to to move there , but i would have to agree with osky, the state dose not seem to care about the future of hunting . The change within MNDNR had been happening gradually. Changes in hiring practice over the years as the focus shifted to diversity and inclusiveness. But more recent changes are even more disturbing. Very few hunters and anglers are aware of a recent long range strategic planning process by the Division of Fish and Wildlife that is now in the implementation phase. The reason few hunters and anglers are aware is that the entire process was done internally with no opportunity for input from the primary user groups.
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Re: Minnesota Moose
[Re: walleye101]
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06/09/19 04:10 PM
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Clark
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The change within MNDNR had been happening gradually. Changes in hiring practice over the years as the focus shifted to diversity and inclusiveness. But more recent changes are even more disturbing. Very few hunters and anglers are aware of a recent long range strategic planning process by the Division of Fish and Wildlife that is now in the implementation phase. The reason few hunters and anglers are aware is that the entire process was done internally with no opportunity for input from the primary user groups.
What is the policy that this process has produced? Inquiring minds want to know. I think then general note of this thread is interesting. If we were talking about any business the best way to find answers is usually to follow the money. There is little reason to not pull at that thread here. Almost half a million deer hunters all paying money to hunt and we are now convinced the DNR doesn’t care about hunting? The logic is breaking down. Mike has good insight and until wolves are federally delisted the state has no opportunity to address them. It would be nice if they started managing NE MN for moose by being more aggressive with bear and (when opportunity allows) wolf harvest.
Last edited by Clark; 06/09/19 04:10 PM.
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. -Albert Einstein
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Re: Minnesota Moose
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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06/09/19 06:22 PM
06/09/19 06:22 PM
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trapper les
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Moose are susceptible to the brain worm that white tails can live with, for one thing.
There should be no limit on white tails, open season, and bears and wolves should be relegated to the same status as coyotes, no limit fur animal. Then moose will survive.
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: Minnesota Moose
[Re: Clark]
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06/10/19 08:32 AM
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walleye101
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I think then general note of this thread is interesting. If we were talking about any business the best way to find answers is usually to follow the money. There is little reason to not pull at that thread here. Almost half a million deer hunters all paying money to hunt and we are now convinced the DNR doesn’t care about hunting? The logic is breaking down.
Mike has good insight and until wolves are federally delisted the state has no opportunity to address them. It would be nice if they started managing NE MN for moose by being more aggressive with bear and (when opportunity allows) wolf harvest.
The half million deer license sales have been stagnant even as general population has grown. License sales for small game, grouse, pheasant, ducks, have been declining for obvious reasons. Concerns that hunting license sales can no longer support the agency has them looking for alternative funding sources from nonconsumptive user groups. Problem is those nonconsumptive users tend to have very different ideas on how wildlife should be managed. And yes, currently MNDNR does not have authority to manage wolves to improve moose survival. But that has been a handy excuse for doing what many would prefer to do anyway. These days the idea of using predator management to increase abundance of another species is not considered an accepted practice. The new Governor who ultimately controls DNR practice has already announce he does not support wolf hunting even if wolves get delisted.
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Re: Minnesota Moose
[Re: Donnersurvivor]
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06/10/19 12:00 PM
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goldy
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I largley blame the DNR for the fact wolves haven't been delisted. By them lieing about the actual numbers, they have delayed the process. How they can say we have the same amount of wolves as we did in the mid-1990s is ridiculous. Anybody that spends any amount of time in the woods in Wolf country knows there are far more wolves now than there were back in the 90s, and it's not even close. Moose will never recover until we manage wolves
"They that can give up essential liberty to gain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety" Ben Franklin talking about guns
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Re: Minnesota Moose
[Re: Jurassic Park]
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06/10/19 12:55 PM
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Trapper7
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Deer will live in cities with humans. Moose will not. Deer are here to stay! I agree deer are here to stay....we need to feed the wolves!
I don't care how nice the hand soap smells, you should never walk out of the restroom sniffing your fingers.
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Re: Minnesota Moose
[Re: Jurassic Park]
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06/10/19 03:40 PM
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yukonjeff
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Deer will live in cities with humans. Moose will not. Deer are here to stay! I guess you should visit Anchorage someday, where 1000 Moose live, rut, and fight, and forage in the downtown, and walk the streets like they own them.
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