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Minnesota Moose #6551741
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Is there any reason to believe Minnesota will ever have a good population of Moose again? Have the Parasites from Deer combined with habitat change and Wolves officially ended the days of a decent population of Moose in this state?

Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6551745
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No, it will not come back. Bear hunting is being filtered out, wolves no more, the bone the state throws hunters is deer and that will gradually go away as well.

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Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6551747
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Deer will live in cities with humans. Moose will not. Deer are here to stay!


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Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6551749
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I see a few moose tracks out south of Williams, and say, 10-15 miles north of Upper Red Lake every spring in beaver season. I think those forest fires in the last couple years helped. Kills the ticks and regenerates new growth.

I believe we need to hammer down on predators like bears and wolves though.


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Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6551774
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It's not about the animals or population cycles of them. The long term DNR management is not about hunting, fishing yes, but not hunting.

Osky


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Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6551794
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Look into any of the studies that have been done in Alaska and Canada with Moose calf survival. Until the predators are in check (Bears and Wolves) the Moose have no chance.


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Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6551933
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Moose in MN will slowly decline until they become a real rare sighting while they continue to expand in ND. I don’t know the magic answer to turn it around but it’s not what has been done, if anything by the DNR. Terrible shame to loose such a resource.

Osky you’re dead on about the slow filtering away of bear hunting and that fishing is the main concern of the MN DNR. I would question their ability to even do fishing well. Granted there are a lot of factors and people to try to make happy and management of a states wildlife is not an easy task

Shall we talk about the missed opportunity with elk in MN?

I heard someone once say that if MN had wild hogs at least we would have something to hunt. Said in jest but with some truthful sarcasm.

Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6551936
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I thought this thread was about the old IHL hockey team before I opened it. Lol.


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Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6551983
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i used to go up to the babbit and ely area bear hunting years back, loved that area . often thought i would like to to move there , but i would have to agree with osky, the state dose not seem to care about the future of hunting .

Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: trappercosmo] #6552031
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Originally Posted by trappercosmo
i used to go up to the babbit and ely area bear hunting years back, loved that area . often thought i would like to to move there , but i would have to agree with osky, the state dose not seem to care about the future of hunting .


The change within MNDNR had been happening gradually. Changes in hiring practice over the years as the focus shifted to diversity and inclusiveness. But more recent changes are even more disturbing. Very few hunters and anglers are aware of a recent long range strategic planning process by the Division of Fish and Wildlife that is now in the implementation phase. The reason few hunters and anglers are aware is that the entire process was done internally with no opportunity for input from the primary user groups.

Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6552129
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Look up the new management style. Bio diversity. You will have your answer. Just got back from MN. Was up on LOTW for 3 days. Great fishing. Went by the Upper Red. Spent 3 days on the Mississippi River. I caught a channel cat by Sartell. Why. The DNR is managing for all. Look at Milacs Lake. Cluster. I feel sorry for all the businesses. Happening in Ohio as well. Managed for all. My opinion it is wrong.

Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: walleye101] #6552151
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Originally Posted by walleye101
The change within MNDNR had been happening gradually. Changes in hiring practice over the years as the focus shifted to diversity and inclusiveness. But more recent changes are even more disturbing. Very few hunters and anglers are aware of a recent long range strategic planning process by the Division of Fish and Wildlife that is now in the implementation phase. The reason few hunters and anglers are aware is that the entire process was done internally with no opportunity for input from the primary user groups.


What is the policy that this process has produced? Inquiring minds want to know.

I think then general note of this thread is interesting. If we were talking about any business the best way to find answers is usually to follow the money. There is little reason to not pull at that thread here. Almost half a million deer hunters all paying money to hunt and we are now convinced the DNR doesn’t care about hunting? The logic is breaking down.

Mike has good insight and until wolves are federally delisted the state has no opportunity to address them. It would be nice if they started managing NE MN for moose by being more aggressive with bear and (when opportunity allows) wolf harvest.

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Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6552220
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Why are the deer succeeding when the moose are not? Is the increase of agriculture allowing the deer to overcome the winters better? Habitat change?

Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6552223
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Moose are susceptible to the brain worm that white tails can live with, for one thing.

There should be no limit on white tails, open season, and bears and wolves should be relegated to the same status as coyotes, no limit fur animal. Then moose will survive.


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Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Osky] #6552242
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Originally Posted by Osky
It's not about the animals or population cycles of them. The long term DNR management is not about hunting, fishing yes, but not hunting.

Osky

Their Main mission is Money from Trees, that was a clear honest statement from a Top DNR person ...Wildlife is a front...


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Originally Posted by Clark


I think then general note of this thread is interesting. If we were talking about any business the best way to find answers is usually to follow the money. There is little reason to not pull at that thread here. Almost half a million deer hunters all paying money to hunt and we are now convinced the DNR doesn’t care about hunting? The logic is breaking down.

Mike has good insight and until wolves are federally delisted the state has no opportunity to address them. It would be nice if they started managing NE MN for moose by being more aggressive with bear and (when opportunity allows) wolf harvest.


The half million deer license sales have been stagnant even as general population has grown. License sales for small game, grouse, pheasant, ducks, have been declining for obvious reasons. Concerns that hunting license sales can no longer support the agency has them looking for alternative funding sources from nonconsumptive user groups. Problem is those nonconsumptive users tend to have very different ideas on how wildlife should be managed.

And yes, currently MNDNR does not have authority to manage wolves to improve moose survival. But that has been a handy excuse for doing what many would prefer to do anyway. These days the idea of using predator management to increase abundance of another species is not considered an accepted practice. The new Governor who ultimately controls DNR practice has already announce he does not support wolf hunting even if wolves get delisted.

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I largley blame the DNR for the fact wolves haven't been delisted. By them lieing about the actual numbers, they have delayed the process. How they can say we have the same amount of wolves as we did in the mid-1990s is ridiculous. Anybody that spends any amount of time in the woods in Wolf country knows there are far more wolves now than there were back in the 90s, and it's not even close. Moose will never recover until we manage wolves


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Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6552628
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We had a moose here a few years ago....

Tribe chased it onto the Rez and killed it. frown

Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Jurassic Park] #6552654
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Park
Deer will live in cities with humans. Moose will not. Deer are here to stay!


I agree deer are here to stay....we need to feed the wolves!


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Re: Minnesota Moose [Re: Jurassic Park] #6552712
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Park
Deer will live in cities with humans. Moose will not. Deer are here to stay!



I guess you should visit Anchorage someday, where 1000 Moose live, rut, and fight, and forage in the downtown, and walk the streets like they own them.

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