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Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: Badgerman50] #6554088
06/12/19 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Badgerman50
I would just bake the cake and post a sign that 25% of all gay/lesbo/tranny cake profits will be donated to their choice of the NRA, GOA, or Trumpís re-election campaign.

Just charge enough for that cake to make a meaningful contribution, say $5000.00, there's no law against charging what you want!

Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: loosegoose] #6554098
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
If this guy has to bake a cake against his beliefs, then a jewish printer has to print pro-Nazi pamphlets, a liberal sign maker has to make Trump-2020 campaign signs, a gay baker has to bake a "homosexuality is a sin" cake and a black caterer has to cater a KKK meeting. Any business owner should be able to turn anyone down, for whatever reason. If that business owner is being a dummy to their customers, word will spread and the free market will do it's thing and put them out of business.


Good points, good post.


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Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: bowhunter27295] #6554112
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I agree with boco, your in the business to make cakes, make him a cake. I don't care what its for, what it says or who eats it, his job is to make cakes.

Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: Boco] #6554132
06/12/19 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Your living in the past.
Being gay is acceptable in society today.
And the laws of the land protect them from discrimination.
At one time it was acceptable to discriminate against people because of race-remember?Was OK as long as you weren't the race being discriminated against.


Being gay is not acceptable in most societies today. In most countries being gay is a punishable offense and at least frowned on and hidden.

Many, if not most, Christians in the US and Canada see being gay as a mortal sin. Muslims in the US and Canada also mostly see being gay as wrong and punishable.

The LBGTs&Qs are hurting their own cause by forcing others to acknowledge and respect their ways. They are irritating people, like me, who have nothing against them, when they attempt to use the law to violate other people's civil rights.

I believe something goes wrong during development, causing people to be gay, which is why most gays have secondary sex characteristics of the opposite sex. Lesbians typically have longer ring fingers than index fingers, squared off masculine faces, more body and facial hair, more muscle development and deeper voices than heterosexual women. Gay men typically have longer index fingers than ring fingers, more feminine faces, less facial and body hair, less muscle mass, higher voices and display more emotions than heterosexual men. There are some gays that could pass at heterosexuals, but definitely not most.

Keith

Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: lumberjack391] #6554142
06/12/19 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lumberjack391
I agree with boco, your in the business to make cakes, make him a cake. I don't care what its for, what it says or who eats it, his job is to make cakes.


If he owns the business then his job is whatever he decides it is.

Mike


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Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: Boco] #6554150
06/12/19 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Your living in the past.
Being gay is acceptable in society today.
And the laws of the land protect them from discrimination.
At one time it was acceptable to discriminate against people because of race-remember?Was OK as long as you weren't the race being discriminated against.



At it's core, the case has nothing to do with homosexuality. It's about an artist (in this case, this guy considers his custom cakes to be art pieces) being forced to create art that he doesn't agree with. That's why I used examples of a sign maker, baker, printer, and caterer (chefs often consider their food to be "artwork"). This guy would happily sell a gay couple or a trans person one of his regular pre-made cakes, he just refused to create a custom cake for them. It's akin to telling a painter that he has to paint a picture of a chevy, or a sculptor that he has to make a sculpture of a duke 550. You don't get to tell an artist what kind of art they must create.


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Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: bowhunter27295] #6554153
06/12/19 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by Boco
Your living in the past.
Being gay is acceptable in society today.
And the laws of the land protect them from discrimination.
At one time it was acceptable to discriminate against people because of race-remember?Was OK as long as you weren't the race being discriminated against.



At it's core, the case has nothing to do with homosexuality. It's about an artist (in this case, this guy considers his custom cakes to be art pieces) being forced to create art that he doesn't agree with. That's why I used examples of a sign maker, baker, printer, and caterer (chefs often consider their food to be "artwork"). This guy would happily sell a gay couple or a trans person one of his regular pre-made cakes, he just refused to create a custom cake for them. It's akin to telling a painter that he has to paint a picture of a chevy, or a sculptor that he has to make a sculpture of a duke 550. You don't get to tell an artist what kind of art they must create.



Yes, the case is about freedom of expression. The LBGTs&Qs are attempting to use the courts to force the baker, to give up his freedom of expression and to sublimate it to their own. It is not right.

Keith

Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: bowhunter27295] #6554155
06/12/19 05:00 PM
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The courts have already established it is against the law to discriminate based on sexual orientation.
You medieval brained people should move to iran where it is ok to throw nonconformist people to their deaths because their bible says so.

Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: Boco] #6554159
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Originally Posted by Boco
The courts have already established it is against the law to discriminate based on sexual orientation.
You medieval brained people should move to iran where it is ok to throw nonconformist people to their deaths because their bible says so.


This case is not about discrimination. It is about attempting to force an artist to express themselves in a manner that they don't want to.

I would have made the cake and sold it to the gay couple, because gays getting married does not bother me. I 100% respect the rights of the baker not to be forced to make a cake, that goes against his moral code.

Keith

Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: bowhunter27295] #6554160
06/12/19 05:08 PM
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Hogwash.You don't have to have a sex test to buy art
And since when is a cake art,for cryin out loud,lol.

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Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: bowhunter27295] #6554161
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Boco. Is James on holidays? lol

Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: bowhunter27295] #6554163
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James is a lawyer,I believe.He could school some of these phony bible thumpers on here about discrimination law.

Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: Boco] #6554168
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Originally Posted by Boco
The courts have already established it is against the law to discriminate based on sexual orientation.
You medieval brained people should move to iran where it is ok to throw nonconformist people to their deaths because their bible says so.



Or ...we can just not endorse their lifestyle by not baking a cake.

Death seems a bit extreme.


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Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: Boco] #6554172
06/12/19 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Hogwash.You don't have to have a sex test to buy art
And since when is a cake art,for cryin out loud,lol.


You don't have to have a sexuality test to buy art, correct. But, an artist doesn't have to create art for you if they don't feel like it. That's the issue.

Whether or not a cake is art is up to the baker. Heck, I have a hard time considering most paintings art. Who are you and I to decide? Some people think nice looking buildings are art. Some people consider their farts a work of art.

Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: bowhunter27295] #6554177
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I sell fur to people without interrogating them about their sexual practices,None of my business,even though I don't agree with that lifestyle.And I don't give a rip as long as they want to buy what I am selling.

Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: bowhunter27295] #6554179
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Its against the law to discriminate and refuse on the basis of sexual orientation.
You can refuse if you run out of cake mix.Or paint,but not because the buyer is queer.

Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: Trapper7] #6554186
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
Originally Posted by Finster
Years ago I was a property manager. I took care of 200 apartments in 6 different buildings. One thing I learned is that if you ever upset a homosexual, they never let it go. Even after the problem is fixed, they will whine and cry about it forever. They would call the main office constantly, read you the riot act at every chance, complain about everything, even things that were out of your control. Most times I would have no choice other than to not renew their lease after the year was up which legally I could do. These people for the most part do not think like normal people. They play the victim card every chance they get. These people will not stop until the guy is out of business. That is their goal and all because he wouldn't make a cake for something he sees as a sin. But hey, we have to bend over backwards to give these people their "rights" even at the demise of ours. mad


They already have "rights". What they really want are special privileges. To be put in the same class as the elderly, handicapped, etc.

Yes, I know. That's why I put "rights" in quotes


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Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: Boco] #6554193
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Originally Posted by Boco
I sell fur to people without interrogating them about their sexual practices,None of my business,even though I don't agree with that lifestyle.And I don't give a rip as long as they want to buy what I am selling.



That's your business model and that works for you. Great.

Now if a couple of homosexuals wanted to buy your fur to use in an advertisement for an anti-trapping campaign would you be so eager to sell it to them?

Mike


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Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: bowhunter27295] #6554196
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Instead of where's Waldo? let's play Where's Boco?


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Re: Cake shop sued AGAIN!! [Re: adam m] #6554221
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Originally Posted by adam m
Catch22, he should bake them one and "accidentally" spill laxative in the frosting whistle


Then I guess they would need a cake taster as well as a wine taster. Might just be best to try it out on the cat first!

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