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I want the truth. #6553862
06/12/19 08:35 AM
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Visited a friend at rehab last night and the therapist, (middle eastern) began asking questions about farming. She asked about how and when things are planted. She then remarked about how she learned that Native Americans taught the settlers how to grow vegetables for Thanksgiving.

My question is, were there no vegetables in England prior to the 1500s?


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Re: I want the truth. [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6553868
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No corn or tomatoes, maybe squash, either. 'New World' plants. smile



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Re: I want the truth. [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6553871
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Nice thread.

Re: I want the truth. [Re: chas3457] #6553873
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Originally Posted by chas3457
No corn or tomatoes, maybe squash, either. 'New World' plants. smile



Charlie







Thanks Charlie. Didn't realize that.

Pretty sure they had swine and chickens, what did they feed them instead of corn?


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Re: I want the truth. [Re: run] #6553876
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Originally Posted by run
Nice thread.


Thank you.


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Re: I want the truth. [Re: chas3457] #6553886
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Originally Posted by chas3457
No corn or tomatoes, maybe squash, either. 'New World' plants. smile



Charlie






pretty sure the bible taks about corn ..


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Re: I want the truth. [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6553887
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Europe had small grains. Wheat, Barley, Rye, Flax, etc.

Maize, or what we call 'corn' came from The Americas.




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Re: I want the truth. [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6553890
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Many of the first world settlers weren't exactly the type of people most suited to frontier life. Many were town/city people fleeing persecution, hired labor, indentured servants, rich sponsors, etc. Not a wealth of knowledge on how to survive in a foreign environment.

Re: I want the truth. [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6553892
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The Bible means wheat when it says corn. Do some research.

Re: I want the truth. [Re: chas3457] #6553894
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Originally Posted by chas3457
Small grains; Wheat, Barley, Rye,

Charlie


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turnip, clover, cabbage, onion, peas, beans. also apple/cherry trees.


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Re: I want the truth. [Re: run] #6553897
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Originally Posted by run
The Bible means wheat when it says corn. Do some research.

doesnt it say its ok to eat ear corn from any field .... maybe it means a ear of wheat...lol


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Re: I want the truth. [Re: Hydropillar] #6553901
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Originally Posted by Hydropillar
Originally Posted by run
The Bible means wheat when it says corn. Do some research.

doesnt it say its ok to eat ear corn from any field .... maybe it means a ear of wheat...lol



Yes, this.





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Re: I want the truth. [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6553902
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Corn refers to barley, rye, wheat- what we call corn is properly maize.
Most of the foods we eat are American in origin, tomato, potato, beans, maize, sweet potato, peanuts, peppers, avocados, cranberries, black raspberries, blackberries, blueberries, elderberries, huckleberries, papayas, pawpaws, passionfruit, pineapples, red raspberries, strawberries, squashes and more were unknown in the old world.
iirc they did have beets, turnips and onions.

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Matthew 12:1 King James Version. (Not sure what year Of Translation)

At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.


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Originally Posted by chas3457
No corn or tomatoes, maybe squash, either. 'New World' plants. smile



Charlie






Corn, squash, beans were typically grown together and known as 3 sisters. The sisters plants are still grown together.

Re: I want the truth. [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6553906
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No swine here, South America had the auracana chicken.


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Re: I want the truth. [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6553907
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Corn, in Europe, is a catch all term for grains. What we know as corn here in the States is maize.

Re: I want the truth. [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6553914
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History vegetables is interesting.

Crops native to the americas are tomatoes, "irish" potatoes, corn/maize, true squashes/pumpkins, butter/lima beans, common bush/pole beans, chilis/peppers of all types, tobacco and peanuts.

Many others that we eat today were "available" to Europe but we're either not adopted yet or developed to current status. For instance both field peas and okra as well as true yams were in Africa as were watermelons. Only watermelons had mad their way to Europe. Field peas and okra came through the americas as part of the slave trade prior to going to Europe.

Strangly though many new world crops were already in Europe, via Spain, prior to the English colonization of North America. Yet in the century plus between Columbus and Jamestown few if any had gained widespread use.

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corn noun
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Definition of corn

1 chiefly dialectal : a small hard particle : grain
2 : a small hard seed —usually used in combination peppercornbarleycorn
3 British : the grain of a cereal grass that is the primary crop of a region (such as wheat in Britain and oats in Scotland and Ireland) also : a plant that produces corn



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maize
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NOUN
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a Central American cereal plant that yields large grains set in rows on a cob; corn.

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