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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: Boco] #6555650
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Originally Posted by Boco
The Jews will nuke them.

They wont have to, the U.S will foolishly rush headlong into another 15 year war to destabilize the country for the foreseeable future because "Israel is our greatest ally"

Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: walleyed] #6555653
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Being saved by the Iranians is like sheep being saved by wolves.

Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: walleyed] #6555746
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The problem with knocking iran down is it will build up the kingdom. They both need too be knocked down along with n korea. While they are at it south of the border is some of the most violent land on the planet.


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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: run] #6555754
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Originally Posted by run
Firefighters that start house fires are called firebugs.



Iranians and their proxies are known as " bomb bugs".


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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: walleyed] #6555760
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Yep..The US of A says that underwater mines were attached to the tankers...I would like to ask as I'm not a underwater mine man..So the ship is moving at whatever speed it moves..the mine is heavy...so how does a craft come along the side of a tanker for whatever time it takes and attach the mine? Without being seen?..I'm sure it has been all hands on deck for the last 60 days..then you have every amount of intelligence on the planet watching..not to mention all the submarines that are in the area at periscope depth watch all this..maybe a mine expert could share their mine experience on the subject..Oh the damage I saw was above the water line of the tanker..


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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: walleyed] #6555762
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The mines can be placed by divers while the ship is still and go off by timer or remote detonation..


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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: Chamacat] #6555768
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Originally Posted by Chamacat
Yep..The US of A says that underwater mines were attached to the tankers...I would like to ask as I'm not a underwater mine man..So the ship is moving at whatever speed it moves..the mine is heavy...so how does a craft come along the side of a tanker for whatever time it takes and attach the mine? Without being seen?..I'm sure it has been all hands on deck for the last 60 days..then you have every amount of intelligence on the planet watching..not to mention all the submarines that are in the area at periscope depth watch all this..maybe a mine expert could share their mine experience on the subject..Oh the damage I saw was above the water line of the tanker..


Having worked alongside some US Navy Minemen , they were pretty forthcoming about the enormous variety , delivery, and capability of mines. The only limit to them is ones imagination.

Hoping The Boss ( not Bruce Springsteen ) chimes in here . I know he was USAF EOD, but I'm sure he has some insight .


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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: walleyed] #6555779
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Yep..Then I'm reading where this high level person from Japan was in Iran at the same time the tankers where hit..So while hosting this person in their country why would the hosting country attack the Japanese ship? So now comes the "What If" question..

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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6555842
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
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The crew of the other tanker ( Front Altair) was rescued by the Hyundai Dubai...another merchant ship. It was then surrounded by Iranian gunboats and the crew members were transferred to the Iranian boats. They are now being held onshore by the Iranians


They were rescued by the Iranians, I see nothing about them being forcibly held except by FoxNews which is one of the main "news sources" that helped fleece the public into a fruitless war in Iraq and encouraged further action in Syria. The shipping company Frontline LTD says the crew is alive and unharmed. If they are being detained maybe Iran is interrogating them trying to figure out what the heck happened.



BS !! Sure they were "rescued " by the Iranians !


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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: Chamacat] #6555854
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Originally Posted by Chamacat
Yep..Then I'm reading where this high level person from Japan was in Iran at the same time the tankers where hit..So while hosting this person in their country why would the hosting country attack the Japanese ship? So now comes the "What If" question..


Look ! The iranians know that "life as we know it" is over if they want to engage in war with the US. They don't want that.

Their motive is to get the economic sanctions on them lifted. They believe that if they can clog the strait of Hormuz with sunken or disabled tankers... the US will relent. They do NOT want war with us. That is why they attacked foreign flagged shipping rather that US flagged shipping.

Trump does not want a war with Iran. It would drive the price of oil through the roof. Do you think that would be good for his re-election prospects ??

Have you guys ever heard of Occams Razor ?? I'm sure you have. The simplest explanation is likely the correct explanation.


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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: walleyed] #6555858
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Iran/Iraq fought to a stalemate for a long time on the east border of Iraq and not long after that the US military destroyed the Iraq military in a day.


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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: walleyed] #6555863
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Russia backs Iran.China backs Iran.
I wouldn't be surprised if Putin was behind the mining.

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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: white17] #6555870
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
, I see nothing about them being forcibly held except by FoxNews which is one of the main "news sources" that helped fleece the public into a fruitless war in Iraq and encouraged further action in Syria. The shipping company Frontline LTD says the crew is alive and unharmed. If they are being detained maybe Iran is interrogating them trying to figure out what the heck happened.

Good grief, all I can say about this "comment" is Derpety derp derp ….. derp derp..... Which makes much more sense and a better point.


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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: walleyed] #6555918
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The US Government can not be trusted.

Who knows?


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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: T-Rex] #6555924
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Originally Posted by T-Rex
The US Government can not be trusted.

Who knows?


I agree with that completely but neither can the Iranians !


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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: walleyed] #6555929
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Realistically, I tend to believe the photo evidence. I would expect a lot more than that to begin hostilities. There is a good chance our fearless leader's expectation of upcoming "talks" is the right path for the time being.


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Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: Finster] #6555968
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Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
, I see nothing about them being forcibly held except by FoxNews which is one of the main "news sources" that helped fleece the public into a fruitless war in Iraq and encouraged further action in Syria. The shipping company Frontline LTD says the crew is alive and unharmed. If they are being detained maybe Iran is interrogating them trying to figure out what the heck happened.

Good grief, all I can say about this "comment" is Derpety derp derp ….. derp derp..... Which makes much more sense and a better point.




Wow, I never thought of it that way, your bulb sure burns bright, thank you for taking the time to enlighten me.

Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: white17] #6555973
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Originally Posted by white17
Originally Posted by Chamacat
Yep..Then I'm reading where this high level person from Japan was in Iran at the same time the tankers where hit..So while hosting this person in their country why would the hosting country attack the Japanese ship? So now comes the "What If" question..


Look ! The iranians know that "life as we know it" is over if they want to engage in war with the US. They don't want that.

Their motive is to get the economic sanctions on them lifted. They believe that if they can clog the strait of Hormuz with sunken or disabled tankers... the US will relent. They do NOT want war with us. That is why they attacked foreign flagged shipping rather that US flagged shipping.

Trump does not want a war with Iran. It would drive the price of oil through the roof. Do you think that would be good for his re-election prospects ??

Have you guys ever heard of Occams Razor ?? I'm sure you have. The simplest explanation is likely the correct explanation.



The U.S has knocked off 3 of Israels biggest foes in the last few years, now Iran is the last possible threat to Israel in the region. If Iran gets caught purposefully sinking multiple tankers it would lead to war, why would they risk that? What is more likely if they did sink tankers, that we would lift sanctions or that we would bomb them and park some major firepower in the strait? It makes no sense for Iran to do this, it makes perfect sense for Israel or foreign agents to do this to try and frame Iran.

The simplest explanation is that Iran is not self sabotaging.

Re: Gulf of Tonkin incident in Persian Gulf ? [Re: walleyed] #6555977
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We don't need to bomb them. The economic sanctions are much more devastating. Put your partisanship aside and use some common sense .


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Originally Posted by white17
We don't need to bomb them. The economic sanctions are much more devastating. Put your partisanship aside and use some common sense .

We have stumbled into 3 middle eastern wars, all of which appear to have ended badly for everyone but defense contractors. I dont want to make it four.

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