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Missouri Trap size limit #6557489
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I have read through the online trapping regs put out by the Missouri Dept of Conservation three times and I can not find the maximum allowable size for foot-hold traps on dry ground, ie. Coyote traps. Can someone help out with this? Thank you.

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I believe years ago I read it was 6 3/4" size limit, but recently I have not been able to find it. I am under the assumption they have removed it or perhaps it never existed. I will text my local CO and respond here when he gets back to me.


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Re: Missouri Trap size limit [Re: #11] #6557496
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6" is the max jaw spread above water in Missouri.

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My local agent just told me there is no size limit on footholds in MO and I looked again in the code and can't find nothing.

https://www.sos.mo.gov/CMSImages/AdRules/csr/current/3csr/3c10-8.pdf

KB, if you got a document stating the size limit, can you post it please?

#11, if you want my agents #, pm me and I can send it to you.


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Re: Missouri Trap size limit [Re: #11] #6557579
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I dont know how to post it on here, but im reading it out of the 2019 regulation book.

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That only applies to Connie's set on ground level. Used to be a jaw limit for foot holds, but that was dropped years ago.


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Re: Missouri Trap size limit [Re: #11] #6557609
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11 simple self explanatory paragraphs, nothing hidden, no gray areas, nothing complicated- why would we want size limits?

https://www.sos.mo.gov/CMSImages/AdRules/csr/current/3csr/3c10-8.pdf

If you need someone to tell you how big a trap to use, hire instruction. Or navigate through these sites; http://furbearermanagement.com/
https://www.fishwildlife.org/afwa-inspires/furbearer-management

Description of traps from the state code
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1) Traps shall have smooth or rubber jaws only, and may include foot-hold traps, Conibear® or other killing-type traps, foot-enclosing-type traps, cage-type traps, colony traps with openings no greater than six inches (6") in height and six inches (6") wide, or snares (as defined in 3 CSR 10-20.805) set under water only, and cable restraint devices (as defined in 3 CSR 10-20.805). Use of pitfalls, deadfalls, snares set in a dry land set, and nets are prohibited.
Oh, there is a comma in front of colony traps so that the 6" high and 6" wide pertains to those and not to foot holds

state trapping code; https://www.sos.mo.gov/CMSImages/AdRules/csr/current/3csr/3c10-8.pdf

additional code definitions, it is important to note that we have separate rules for snares and cable restraints, don't confuse the terms; https://www.sos.mo.gov/cmsimages/adrules/csr/current/3csr/3c10-20.pdf

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Re: Missouri Trap size limit [Re: Kbmo] #6557611
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Originally Posted by Kbmo
6" is the max jaw spread above water in Missouri.

I believe this is right. Has been for years.

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If there ever was a max size for foot holds above water, it has been gone for over twenty years. Why exactly would you set foot hold above water?
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Originally Posted by Kbmo
6" is the max jaw spread above water in Missouri.

I believe this is right. Has been for years.



Perhaps you are thinking of Killer Traps ;
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3) Use of Conibear® or Other Killing-Type Traps.
(A) No Conibear® or other killing-type traps with a jaw spread greater than five inches (5") shall be used in any dry land set.
(B) Conibear® or other killing-type traps with a jaw spread not greater than eight inches (8") may be set six feet (6') or more above
ground level in buildings.
( C) Conibear® or other killing-type traps of any size may be set under water. Conibear® or other killing-type traps having no food, scent,
or visual lure placed within one foot (1') of the trap may be partially exposed above water provided the hinges are fully submerged.
But no the rule has always been 5" on land 8" in the barn up 6' high.

A single page. It's easy reading.

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tjm, Michael Morris, and BigBob, thanks for clearing it up, from the way I was reading it, I interpreted that there was no limit, (always trapping in Illinois that was a shock!) but wanted to make sure. It sounds like there are a few natives that are confused.

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No problem #11. Trust my CO, he knows trapping regs like the back of his hand, when he said "There is no size limit set on footholds in Missouri" that was all I needed. Thanks TJM and bigbob for confirmation


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Re: Missouri Trap size limit [Re: #11] #6557635
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It is on page 23 of the guide I looked at right above what is posted about conis it states 6 inches.

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Michael mine said the same thing 5 years ago he said the 6" thing was for conis. Footholds had no restrictions other then teeth! 220s are legal on barn rafters or under water. 155S are the only legal coon sized coni on ground in mo. A law I was unaware of no conis under bridges! Our coni laws are the strictest and not well worded. Some local agents will make exceptions if you talk with them over the matters of concern


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The only size restriction on footholds was years ago. It was for the beaver season after regular trapping season. It stated that foothold beaver traps had to have a 6 inch jaw spread minimum. This was back in the 70s.

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Originally Posted by jhh
The only size restriction on footholds was years ago. It was for the beaver season after regular trapping season. It stated that foothold beaver traps had to have a 6 inch jaw spread minimum. This was back in the 70s.

Yes, I remember that. Late beaver season only; never applied to regular trapping.

Visit the Secretary of State links I posted above, what is there is actual Code or State Law what ever is in those flimsy guides is a summary or synopsis and it will have a disclaimer on it saying that it is not accurate and not the Code. I haven't looked at one of those in years, any time it's wrong it gets blamed on the printers.

This page has links to the entire Wildlife Code, bookmark it- https://www.sos.mo.gov/adrules/csr/current/3csr/3csr.asp

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