Re: Indian Artifact or What
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That’s a head scratcher for sure. I would think it would be from the early Spanish explorers. Was it found in a river or creek? Very interesting to hear what others think
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Re: Indian Artifact or What
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06/18/19 05:11 PM
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Op knows what it is, and the controversy surrounding it, lets hear it OP. I aint saying, id get kicked off here AGAIN.
It flies in the face of 'known' history. Revisionism can be fun, if applied with lotion.
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Re: Indian Artifact or What
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Looks like some of the old mining tools from the early 1900's we would find in working in old underground workings 80 years later. The minerals and water would form crust and rock like buildups around the forgotten tools. I'm sure this is some kind of trick question or post, but stuff like that can happen.
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Re: Indian Artifact or What
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06/18/19 09:38 PM
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People call that the "London Hammer" or the ""London Artifact". It was found in a creek bed in 1936 or 1934 near London, Texas. Some people think Noah lost it during the flood. Nobody seems to agree about how old it really is.
My guess is it's not more than a couple of hundred years.
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Re: Indian Artifact or What
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I believe Savell,hes a walking encyclopedia.I never would have known that about Africans.
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Re: Indian Artifact or What
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The hammer was purportedly found by a local couple, Max Hahn and his wife, while out walking along the course of the Red Creek near the town of London.[3] They spotted a curious piece of loose rock with a bit of wood apparently embedded in it and took it home with them. A decade later, their son Max broke open the rock to find the concealed hammerhead within.
The metal hammerhead is approximately 6 inches (15 centimeters) long and has a diameter of 1 in (25 mm), leading some to suggest that this hammer was not used for large projects, but rather for fine work or soft metal.[4] The metal of the hammerhead has been confirmed to consist of 96.6% iron, 2.6% chlorine, and 0.74% sulfur. The hammerhead has not rusted since its discovery in the mid-1930s.
Other observers have noted that the hammer is stylistically consistent with typical American tools manufactured in the region in the late 1800s. One possible explanation for the artifact is that the highly soluble minerals in the ancient limestone may have formed a concretion around the object, via a common process (like that of a petrifying well) which often creates similar encrustations around fossils and other nuclei.[2] J.R. Cole states:
The stone is real, and it looks impressive to someone unfamiliar with geological processes. How could a modern artifact be stuck in Ordovician rock? The answer is that the concretion itself is not Ordovician. Minerals in solution can harden around an intrusive object dropped in a crack or simply left on the ground if the source rock (in this case, reportedly Ordovician) is chemically soluble.[1][5]
The Hammer began to attract wider attention after it was bought by creationist Carl Baugh in 1983, who claimed the artifact was a "monumental 'pre-Flood' discovery."[6] He has used it as the basis of speculation of how the atmospheric quality of a pre-flood earth could have encouraged the growth of giants.[1][7] The hammer is now an exhibit in Baugh's Creation Evidence Museum, which sells replicas of it to visitors.[8]
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Re: Indian Artifact or What
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06/18/19 11:03 PM
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Of course I know it is not an Indian artifact. But with all the technology available today, it has not been established how old the hammer is. It started out as being 400 million years old and has since been dated as probably 700 years old. If you will notice on the rock near the end is a shell of some kind. Probably a fresh water mussel. The strange thing is the hammer was not rusted any at all. It was found by Max Hahn in 1934 as a single rock on the Red Creek bank at the top of a water fall about 150 yards North of where the creek runs into the Llano River in Kimble County, Texas.
The first time I saw it was in about 1951 as it was on a counter near the cash drawer at Max and Emma's gasoline station in London. I believe it stayed there until they sold the store. There wasn't much known about the hammer in the stone until it was in the possession of their son George who sold it to some Creationist named Baugh who might have more information on the age of it but doesn't want to release any information because he is making money off of it by selling replicas. I am not sure where the original is today.
I am glad I got to see it and I know it was the real thing.
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Re: Indian Artifact or What
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Lots of plausible explanations around this one... But the London Hammer is just one of many OOP (out of place) artifacts. Many of which are much more difficult to account for.
Always interesting to see these pop up.
Mike
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Re: Indian Artifact or What
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From a metallurgical standpoint, Iron wont rust if it is suspended in a oxygen free environment.
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Re: Indian Artifact or What
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That’s a head scratcher for sure. I would think it would be from the early Spanish explorers. Was it found in a river or creek? Very interesting to hear what others think I believe the people that have had anything to do with the hammer don't want to find out anything about it. They want to keep it a mystery. I just wish that George Hahn hadn't sold it and kept it in the local museum or put it in the care of the County historical people. I believe the hammer may have come from early Spanish explorers after seeing this historical paper on Kimble County presented by Frederica Wyatt, a historian. In 1739 Joseph de Urrutia waged a campaign against the Indians, and in 1754, Pedro de Rabago Teran explored the region. Five years later Diego Oritz Parilla crossed the area. In July, 1767, Marquis de Rubi made an inspection tour of the southwest frontier, and in 1808, Don Francisco Aman-gual crossed the eastern part of the county in his journey to establish a route between San Antonio and Santa Fe. Red Creek is in the Eastern part of the County.
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