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CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping #6558143
06/18/19 02:41 PM
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CA is one step closer to an all out ban on trapping in the state according to Sportsmen's Alliance. Lorena S. Gonzalez's (D-Sherman Heights) with CA Assembly Bill 273 seeks to make it unlawful to sell furs. AB 273 has passed the Senate Natural Resources and Water Committee by a vote of 6 to 2 and will head to the Senate Appropriations Committee.

Interesting that it always seems to be a democrat leading the charge in opposition when it comes to hunting, trapping, and other sports related opportunities.


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Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Trapper7] #6558146
06/18/19 02:47 PM
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When you bring it up you always have x amount of people who'll insist republicans are just as bad.I disagree,and I'm not a member of the republican party.


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Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Trapper7] #6558156
06/18/19 02:59 PM
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Anything in the bill about actually banning trapping? I'm not familiar with what CA laws are currently in regards to trapping, but in today's market, ADC work is usually more profitable.

Not that I'm making a case for banning the sale of fur. Just sayin'. I wonder how much and what kinds of fur coke from California currently. I'll admit to being pretty much in the dark with regards to their hunting and trapping efforts.

Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Trapper7] #6558166
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The history of fur trapping in CA is long and rich. Better do some reading.

Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Trapper7] #6558426
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I would never vote for a democrat period.


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Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Trapper7] #6558428
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Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Trapper7] #6558447
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They can ban fur all they want-animal populations will need to be managed and animals will die one way or the other.
However,instead of having a useful product/profession that contributes to the economy,it will be nuisance animal control that will be a drain on the taxpayer and the waste of a potentially valuable renewable resource.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Boco] #6558494
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Originally Posted by Boco
They can ban fur all they want-animal populations will need to be managed and animals will die one way or the other.
However,instead of having a useful product/profession that contributes to the economy,it will be nuisance animal control that will be a drain on the taxpayer and the waste of a potentially valuable renewable resource.


Well put boco! Common sense doesn't prevail in that state.

Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Mack] #6558496
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Originally Posted by Mack
Originally Posted by Boco
They can ban fur all they want-animal populations will need to be managed and animals will die one way or the other.
However,instead of having a useful product/profession that contributes to the economy,it will be nuisance animal control that will be a drain on the taxpayer and the waste of a potentially valuable renewable resource.


Well put boco! Common sense doesn't prevail in that state.


Common sense doesn't prevail in most Liberal's heads. It's not just California.

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Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Boco] #6558507
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Originally Posted by Boco
They can ban fur all they want-animal populations will need to be managed and animals will die one way or the other.
However,instead of having a useful product/profession that contributes to the economy,it will be nuisance animal control that will be a drain on the taxpayer and the waste of a potentially valuable renewable resource.
They don't care.Its all about control.They can regulate to death any nuisance control business or government help.They can't fur trappers or fur trapping,at least not in the same way they can animal control business.Plus they will do anything to stop the trade in fur.Its all about symbolism.Guys who think states that go this route will eventually come crawling back to reality are missing their point.It won't matter if coyotes,skunks and 'coons take over their cities and beaver are over running every water impoundment.They stopped it.Thats whats important.


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Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: tlguy] #6558509
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Originally Posted by tlguy
Anything in the bill about actually banning trapping? I'm not familiar with what CA laws are currently in regards to trapping, but in today's market, ADC work is usually more profitable.

Not that I'm making a case for banning the sale of fur. Just sayin'. I wonder how much and what kinds of fur coke from California currently. I'll admit to being pretty much in the dark with regards to their hunting and trapping efforts.


This isn't about how much and what kind of fur comes out of California, it is about drying up one more market for fur produced anywhere. They are not satisified with just screwing up their own state.

Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Boco] #6558543
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Originally Posted by Boco
They can ban fur all they want-animal populations will need to be managed and animals will die one way or the other.
However,instead of having a useful product/profession that contributes to the economy,it will be nuisance animal control that will be a drain on the taxpayer and the waste of a potentially valuable renewable resource.
DEAD ON THE MONEY!! The very people that preach green and sustainable don't want something that actually truly is. Adopting a position of saying NO to all things is very easy. It's not very easy to come up with solutions or answers to stop pollution or an unsustainable practice. By this Californian definition, the native americans who used animal products to survive and enrich their lives must have been very evil and cruel people! Throw that in the next argument with foggy thinking Liberal. Why on earth is it perfectly OK with Californians to kill a nuisance animal and throw it out/waste it, when you can proactively manage a species and utilize it as a renewable green resource? This smacks of nothing more than a way for some group to raise money to enrich themselves.

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Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Trapper7] #6558609
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No problem~~~~~~ Just BAN California!!!
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Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Trapper7] #6595159
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Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Boco] #6595166
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Originally Posted by Boco
They can ban fur all they want-animal populations will need to be managed and animals will die one way or the other.
However,instead of having a useful product/profession that contributes to the economy,it will be nuisance animal control that will be a drain on the taxpayer and the waste of a potentially valuable renewable resource.

X-2 , Well put Boco!

Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Trapper7] #6595168
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One of the main points used in that article to justify the trapping ban is that licenses only bring in $15k in revenue and that revenue doesn't cover the cost of the program.

How much more is it going to cost the govt to pay nuisance trappers? I bet it's more than they were paying for the "subsidized" trapping program.

Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: tlguy] #6595182
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Originally Posted by tlguy
One of the main points used in that article to justify the trapping ban is that licenses only bring in $15k in revenue and that revenue doesn't cover the cost of the program.

How much more is it going to cost the govt to pay nuisance trappers? I bet it's more than they were paying for the "subsidized" trapping program.

Yep tlguy absolutely correct!

Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Trapper7] #6595185
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The site? Thanks. I made it so people (not me) can publish articles. It takes no account, no login, nothing. Just "post something" and it will show up.

And if you have any problem, email the address on the form or let me know here and I'll fix it. I can build a management system eventually but people would have to use it first.

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Re: CA Moving To Ban Fur Sales & Trapping [Re: Trapper7] #6595194
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Not surprisingly, the Center for Biological Diversity played a large role in this legislation. Their annual revenue in 2017 was $20,139,563; they have two directors whose combined salaries in 2017 were nearly $600,000. And for national organizations of this class, they're actually on the lower end of the revenue scale.


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