Re: Fur checks as income
[Re: mttrapperguy]
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06/28/19 01:33 PM
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I just received my check from NAFA for $26.66 I don't think I'm going to report my earnings to the IRS. LOL
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Re: Fur checks as income
[Re: mttrapperguy]
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06/28/19 01:54 PM
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Just received my FHA check and sold my green beaver to Groeny this A.M.. Like you said Beav I don't think the IRS need be involved!
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Re: Fur checks as income
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06/28/19 09:50 PM
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Are they ok with a person taking a schedule C loss every year? The people I have hired thought no? If you put it in with the other business like Les and Larry, there shouldn't be a loss overall, I hope.
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Re: Fur checks as income
[Re: mttrapperguy]
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06/29/19 03:40 PM
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TurboTax. Easy to do, deduct everything purchased used for trapping, keep a log of your mileage. Not a big deal at all once you're in the groove. If you can't turn a profit then you are engaged in a hobby and it's your responsibility to report your income. I sleep well at night I use H&R Block software but same thing. I roll all my micro gigs (ebay sales, craiglist/fb sales, trapping, graden produce, metal recycling) into a single "business". I've done this for about 5 years now. Made money 1 year where it increased my taxes a little, the other years it typically was slightly in the red (probably didn't claim all my trapping expenses). Its usually my mileage count that takes it into the red. I haven't been audited yet. If that happens, they will get a lot of receipts in their laps...
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26
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Re: Fur checks as income
[Re: NonPCfed]
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06/29/19 04:58 PM
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I use Turbo Tax Premier and have for years. I too have combined several small enterprises into one schedule C, trapping, custom fur handling, garden, beef and hog sales, maple syrup sales, consulting etc. Not hard to show profits when a 100 coon and 200 rats were 5 K but losses are big when they are $1200, so combining for me made sense. Also if and when you are confronted by the IRS or audited the "key" word for small businesses are your intentions to make a profit. I did taxes for smaller farmers who many times made little to no positive income yet filed every year. Some good ways to get noticed by agents for audits is to not be able to provide statements for income entries into check books or savings accounts, not reporting other income at all, or having a schedule C and file only when you have higher income and claim expenses to offset but don't file during lower income years. There are ways to take some expenses and spread over time if losses are large so that you don't have large losses.
I know adding some schedules to ones tax return seems like a waste to many but in all honesty unless you are unbelievably efficient and or know when to stop trapping before your costs exceed income, losing money or saving taxes would be the norm. If you don't want to do the schedules for a C do the hobby thing and at least you can zero out income most years.
Bryce
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Re: Fur checks as income
[Re: mttrapperguy]
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06/29/19 05:36 PM
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I kept track of every expense, and mileage, and even though I thought I was getting pretty good at trapping, and actually catching, I barely made a profit. Most years I did not make a profit, my accountant said you have to make money most years, or else the IRS calls it a hobby. So that was the end of reporting fur checks.
All you "Woke" people need to go back to sleep!
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Re: Fur checks as income
[Re: mttrapperguy]
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06/29/19 11:40 PM
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$600 or less you should not have to report ?
50 + years of trapping & some fur buying and i still know nothing.
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Re: Fur checks as income
[Re: mttrapperguy]
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06/30/19 12:32 PM
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All good advice, thanks. I hope to finalize the audit this week and move on with my life. It has been very stressful to say the least, I thought I ran everything by the book. The IRS has a different book.
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Re: Fur checks as income
[Re: mttrapperguy]
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06/30/19 03:48 PM
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Keep all your sales and purchase paperwork (including subscriptions to fur related publications) and trapping licenses & association dues plus a log book showing starting and ending odometer readings and resulting elapsed miles for every trip for trapping, supplies, sales, or conventions. For vehicle expense just multiplying total miles times IRS per mile allowance is probably adequate for most trappers. Deducting selling commissions and fees, and shipping if any, from sales to get net trapping income. For trapping conventions and meetings food and lodging costs for the trapper (not family members) is deductible.
If you report losses year after year without reporting an occasional profit (about every 6 years) the auditor will say trapping is a non-deductible hobby instead of a business.
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