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30-30 #6564899
06/29/19 05:46 PM
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Now that I am going to be the owner of my first lever rifle, I have had a look around what sort of components are out there. From my limited research, lever guns are not exactly bench rest rifles due to their construction. So more of a short range fast brush gun sort of deal. In a way perfect for where I am going. But here is where I am a bit stumped. There is a whole plethora of bullets out there for the 30-30 and I would be a very old man if I tried them all out. So as all of you have more experience with lever rifles then I have to this date, what is a good way to start. I am looking at deer / hog and maybe a black bear or two in the future. I have no preference as to bullet makers and have several powders at hand that would probably work. From IMR 4198, H Leverevolution, Varget, cfe223 and probably a couple of others I can't think of right now. So whats your favorite ??

ATB

Michael


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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6564905
06/29/19 05:55 PM
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Nothing fancy here. 150 Gr. Bullet and IMR 4895 powder. works for me.
Don't be afraid to try cast lead bullets either. Have accounted for a lot of fun shooting and game also.

Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6564910
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35 grains just like it says on the jug. can hit a paperplate out to about 150 yards


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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6564946
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I have a lever 35 rem and the hornady leverloution ammo is just great. I do not reload. Hope this helps.......jk


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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6564948
06/29/19 06:48 PM
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Blue box federal 150gr SP has grouped very well thru my ol dirty 30. About the cheapest to boot

Re: 30-30 [Re: jk] #6564949
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Originally Posted by jk
I have a lever 35 rem and the hornady leverloution ammo is just great. I do not reload. Hope this helps.......jk

X2! great round. I think I have said it before Scuba, if you can match that round, you'll be in the money man. Good luck!


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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6564951
06/29/19 06:54 PM
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I remember you said something like that Catch. I'll have to look into that round. But as far as hunting on my property goes, I don't think I'll be able to take advantage of that extra range the leverevolution offers as I can hardly see 50 yards in a straight line without the aid of a chainsaw. A weedwhacker is of more use then binoculars if you know what I mean.

Last edited by Scuba1; 06/29/19 06:56 PM.

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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6564953
06/29/19 06:59 PM
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X3 on the leverlution! If you can get hold of those Hornaday leverlution bullets and find a powder that can half-way match the factory round you are golden. My 94 loves them and they shoot somewhat flatter than the old roundnoses it seems

Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6564965
06/29/19 07:20 PM
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I shoot a Marlin 1895 45/70 for deer and bear.Before the Hornady's came out I used Remington 405 gr.rounds,which are pretty much standard medicine for this round.I do not reload so I rely on factory rounds.I shot a handful of deer and 1 bear with this round and no issues.Grouping at 75-100 yrds. was an acceptable 2" groupings(relying on memory here),lever actions were not considered tack drivers so it was good enough.Then I got the Hornady Leverlutions.Wow!Accuracy wise they did everything it was claimed they would,its probably as closed to a tack driver as your going to get.I did noticed more recoil with them,and after shooting a few deer at our big woods ranges I feel this round in 45/70 kills them more dead than they need to be.But the rounds most definitely lived up to the hype.


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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6564968
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
I remember you said something like that Catch. I'll have to look into that round. But as far as hunting on my property goes, I don't think I'll be able to take advantage of that extra range the leverevolution offers as I can hardly see 50 yards in a straight line without the aid of a chainsaw. A weedwhacker is of more use then binoculars if you know what I mean.

I get ya buddy but it doesn't matter about the extra range at all. These rounds shine at any range. Like any gun, they have their own personality and as savvy as you are I'm sure your gonna test out more then a few different possibility's. If you include the LeveRevolution rounds, my guess is that it will blow you away( pun intended lol). Can't wait to here about it and see pics of your alls new place in Tenn.


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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6564969
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Choose a bullet that has a crimp groove in the right place and will expand at .30-30 velocity. Lots of .308 diameter bullets out there are made for higher velocity. As said above -don't sell a good cast bullet short. IMR 3031 was an original loading.


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Re: 30-30 [Re: mole] #6564976
06/29/19 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mole
Nothing fancy here. 150 Gr. Bullet and IMR 4895 powder. works for me.
Don't be afraid to try cast lead bullets either. Have accounted for a lot of fun shooting and game also.


Scuba, as quoted. 150 grain and Imr-4895 is overall your best option. I have an old marlin 30-30 that will group 1 inch at 100 all day long. I also have an old win 94 that loves 150 grain rem bullets I also use RL7. I use 125 grain spritzers in mine. A two shot rile for deer. Works for me. Sarge


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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6564992
06/29/19 07:52 PM
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I am guessing that not every round nose or flat nose bullet is made for the somewhat slow 30-30.


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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6564999
06/29/19 08:03 PM
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no they are not. most round nose 308 will have a cannelure ring but those intended for 7.62 nato, 30-06 or 300 mag will have a thicker jacket. better off with a bullet designed for 30-30 velocitys


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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6565002
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bullets without a cannalure ring and crimp, while in the tube magazine, have a tendency to seat deeper in the case every time you fire one

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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6565003
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No, not all round or flats are good for the thirty- thirty. The 30-30 is slow, but if I had only it to choose from, then I would be ok. My dad took many a deer with his old win.94( nickel plated receiver) and never needed more then one shot. The old marine knew his rifle. I have it now, and I have a date this fall with a nice 8 pointer I have been watching. Sarge

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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6565013
06/29/19 08:17 PM
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To be honest, I don't really need another rifle for hunting ....but it would be a shame to just use this old bit of history just for punching paper or hang it on a wall. That and I like the idea to hunt on my new patch of dirt with an old rifle like this American classic.


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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6565018
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https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/000072000/30-cal-(30-30)-point308-diameter-150-grain-flat-nose-pro-hunter-power-jacket-100-count

Lots of bullets will work good. I been shooting these a long time though. These bullets are meat makers at the ranges your talking about. I never shot a wild hog like you may want or need to do in TN but I would not be afraid to put one of these in one of them. At short range. About 150 max. They wont hold velocity because of the lack of bullet coefficient and low muzzle velocity.

my first hi power was an old bolt action 30-30. I have killed a lot of stuff with them.

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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6565028
06/29/19 08:43 PM
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I use those bullets in my 458 Socom and they do quite well in it Danny They are on the short list for the 30-30 now as well Thanks folks. This is saving me reinventing the wheel as it were.


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Re: 30-30 [Re: Scuba1] #6565056
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All that fancy pointed ammo defeats the purpose of a 30-30. Mho it's a brush gun and a fine one at that.

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