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Movie: "Quigley Down Under" #6567602
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I think that is the correct name of the movie … what was the rifle that Quigley was shooting ? Has anyone ever shot one of them ? I wondered if they were as accurate as it showed in the movies. He was supposedly shooting like 1/2 mile or more.


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1874 Sharps Buffalo Rifle
Never shot one, think it was 50 cal

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45-110 Sharpes. Yes they are that accurate. We host the Billy Dixon event here locally. Re-creation of the Billy Dixon shot at the Siege of Adobe walls. Target out to 1538 yards. Many top shooters have made the cold barrel first shot hit the mark at 1538.






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1874 Shiloh Sharps 45-110

The rifle Sellick used in the movie he donated to Brownell’s

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replica at 1000yds - 1/2 a nautical mile. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPrhYZnuz9Y

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The rifle he was shooting was made by Shilo Sharps of Big Timber Montana. It is a custom rifle based off their Long Range Express model. His was either a 45/110 or a 50/110.
I have one in a 4570 and yes they are very accurate. I am sure you can google them and find their web site. When I bought mine in the early 90's it was a five year wait.


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Forsyth Montana hosts the Quigley Shoot each year where competition is tough and from what I understand you better be ready to shoot. I've never attended but I've spoke with many who go each year it's a very challenging event to say the least.
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Dads got a Shiloh in 50/140. Waited 3 years for it! It’s awesome and accurate! Well worth the wait.

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Billy Dixon always noted that his shot at Adobe Walls was a "scratch shot", meaning it was just a fortunate shot at that range. Notwithstanding both the Sharps and Remington Rolling Block were accurate rifles, within reason. Yes if shooters set up their rifle for specific long range shots to replicate the Dixon scratch shot, it is possible to duplicate it. It is though as Elmer Keith stated that he could "work up" a target too with a pistol to astound people he was guiding. Again by this, Elmer would lay on his back, put the pistol, usually a Colt 45, next to his calf for steadying the shot, and shoot at targets at incredible distances. He simply would "walk" the bullet onto the target in five or six shot at incredible distances.
That stated, a 22 rimfire is lethal to a mile, and if you elevated correctly for that distance, you would get on a target. Carlos Hathcock the noted Marine Sniper provided a formula for shooting long distance, factoring in wind, temperature in watching the mirage angle and humidity ar all factors in hitting a target.
With the buffalo rifles, they were firing large lumps of lead, which carry more true than lighter calibers. Most Americans, fired a paper patch or an antelope skin bullet. They used American powders, which are produced with different charcoal compared to British powders. The American powders burned drier than the British, so did not produce the power the British powders did. This was explained by Frank Meyer in his book. He always fired British powders which were more expensive, but his rifle was a 40 90 Sharps, and he was able with that powder, a heavier bullet than most 40's were loaded for to actually match the 45 120.
Buffalo Bill shot a 50 70 Springfield, and he did remarkable shooting at reasonable distances. General Custer had a 50 70 Remington and was very fond of that rifle too. All military cartridges were 50 70 in that period. This was what was offered to adventurers in free ammo to kill buffalo as a public policy to bring Indian rampages to an end, as it was deemed more humane than killing off the Indians in war. This is where the genesis of the 50's originated in civilian rifles. The calibers which were available were 44 in Remington, to the 45 to 50. Lengths extended for powder charges, and telescopic sites improved distance shooting. Bottleneck cartridges started appearing in this era, but the fouled barrels caused these cartridges to stick sometimes. It is why most favored the straight wall.
There is a really good article on the Big 50 in the American Rifleman. I will provide the link, but in it you will find the 50 was not quite generic. Frank Meyer or Mayer stated that anyone could order a rifle in any configuration they dreamed up. The "experts" in the old Buff Runners knew of the types of rifles they had, but one 50 actually had over a three inch cartridge and fired a 700 grain bullet. It is akin to why modern snipers are hitting targets with the 50 BMG, Browning Machine Gun rounds.

Hope the additional information helps.

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On the way out to hunt bear in Idaho about 5 weeks ago my buddy and I stopped at Big Timber and visited the Shiloh Sharps factory and showroom. I also picked up their most recent catalog which lists the "1874 Sharps Quigley Buffalo Rifle." It comes in 45/70 or 45/110 and has a price of $3533.

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I have one in 45/70, and yes, when I bought mine it was quite a wait. Most shoot black powder cartridges out of them but can also shoot smokeless. At the Quigley shoot at Forsyth, all shoot smokeless. They used to show the "Quigley Down Under" movie on Friday night before the contest to get everyone "fired up". lol

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I have both a 45/70 sold by EMF and a 50/90 by Cimmoron arms both are extremely accurate even though at longer distances they have a trajectory like a rainbow but there extremely fun to shoot and do just fine on big game

Both have tang sights and while I haven’t been able to shoot them at any range over 600 yards I have no doubt but that even at double or triple the range single shot hit are possible once one know where to set their sights

Last year where I work had some Chinese exchange students working for them and several of them wanted to shoot some guns so I took them out to the range where they had the chance to shoot several different types and calibers of both rifles and pistols, the funny thing is the big hits were the 1873 Winchester in 45 colt and the sharps rifle in 45/70, and in pistols it was a model 36 S&W in 38 special and a ruger single 6 in 32 H&R mag there were 6 girls and 2 guys in the group



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That show that remakes shots. Hollywood weapons I believe did a show with a couple of shots that were maded shooting two people with one (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) and another shot I don't remember.. anyways both shots was proven to be done in real life all open sights so they have to have some accuracy.

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Originally Posted by salemtrapper
That show that remakes shots. Hollywood weapons I believe did a show with a couple of shots that were maded shooting two people with one (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) and another shot I don't remember.. anyways both shots was proven to be done in real life all open sights so they have to have some accuracy.



Yes, Quigley made the taking out 2 people in the movie. I can't seem to watch that movie often enough. Now .. I have found the really good thing about getting old is … you watch a movie this week and then again next week and you will have forgot what happen in about half of scenes ..so it is like seeing it for the first time.


Thank you everyone for the very educational info … although I would love to have one of those guns … I never will … but thinking about it, makes time go by faster.


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