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Voting in U.S. #6571515
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I say that only U.S. Citizens should be allowed to vote. The politicians try get around that. What say you?

Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571519
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Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571521
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Originally Posted by Fisherman
I say that only U.S. Citizens should be allowed to vote. The politicians try get around that. What say you?



I agree AL.

That and only adult males over 35 who own land, or a business, and pay taxes !! laugh

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Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571522
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Agree but only the live ones. Remember we have Chicago.

Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: walleyed] #6571525
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I would support only adult males over 35 who are productive to society voting, or monarchy, I am ok with either. Tye free for all we have now is a joke.

Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571526
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I heard a bunch of Canucks have been invited down to vote for Bernie.

Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571530
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if you are able to work and are on government assistance you have no vote


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Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571539
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Only US citizens should be counted on census!

Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571544
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Couple states out there have way more representation than they should have due to fraudulent census counting. And that is disenfranchisement all citizens.

Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571594
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Let the illegals vote then void the election in that district or have ICE do the poll watching that would fix it!


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Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571597
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Originally Posted by Fisherman
I say that only U.S. Citizens should be allowed to vote. The politicians try get around that. What say you?


It's all part of the system. We have owners and the owners make the rules. America is not the country so many people think it is. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571600
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Why would we ever allow anyone that is not a citizen to vote.


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Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Law Dog] #6571607
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Let the illegals vote then void the election in that district or have ICE do the poll watching that would fix it!



They can actually do this in a form of some sort. I can't remember all the legal constitutional lingo. But the federal govt can step in if "Americans" are being disenfranchised out of the voting process and/or by unlawful representation. I.e. and state in the union could go after California due to illegal representation due to census counting non-citizens.

Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571609
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Ties into the law that was made giving blacks right to vote? DEM's back in the day tried several different tactics in an effort to keep blacks from voting.

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Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Getting There] #6571643
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Originally Posted by Getting There
Why would we ever allow anyone that is not a citizen to vote.


Some Western countries and Japan allow resident non-citizens to vote in local, but not national, elections.

The idea is that since residents have a stake in local affairs and pay taxes, they should also have a say in how things are run on the local level.

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Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571649
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So does that mean I can come to Anchorage and vote to raise your taxes and then leave?

Asking for a friend.

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Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571654
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Sure, so long as you remain here for a year before you vote.

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Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: James] #6571658
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Sure, so long as you remain here for a year before you vote.

Jim


That's racism.

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Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571890
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Remember to vote early and vote often!

Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571896
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A whole new voting block pouring across out borders at a rate of 200k a month.

Why do you think the dems are holding out to make them citizens before they agree to secure our border?

Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571906
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When did you guys last vote? No one votes without proper ID and authorization, my mother in law has been a poll worker for years and is incensed when she hears about illegal voting, it just doesn't happen.You're being played once again!


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Originally Posted by Scioto
When did you guys last vote? No one votes without proper ID and authorization, my mother in law has been a poll worker for years and is incensed when she hears about illegal voting, it just doesn't happen.You're being played once again!

Apparently your MIL needs to get out more often lol. Illegals get DL's and SS cards all the time.


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Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Scioto] #6571926
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Originally Posted by Scioto
When did you guys last vote? No one votes without proper ID and authorization, my mother in law has been a poll worker for years and is incensed when she hears about illegal voting, it just doesn't happen.You're being played once again!



I have NEVER been asked for ID when voting. I could say I am anyone I choose and proceed with voting.

Here is an interactive database of actual criminal convictions for different types of voter fraud. Click on your state to see the actual violations.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

How about this gal ?

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article222302160.html


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Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571931
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Thedems need every vote they can buy, if you have a DL for an ID you can vote . Why do you think there are states giving out DLs to illegals?

Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571936
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Back to Fisherman’s original post. I think that only American citizens should be able to vote and citizens should be taken care of first before one cent is spent to accommodate illegals. That being said, I feel we should welcome legal immigrants with open arms but without anymore benefits than American citizens.

Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: brianmall] #6571953
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Originally Posted by brianmall
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Only US citizens should be counted on census!


Disagree . Lots of people here legally who aren't citizens. Review Michael's , aka Scuba1, story.


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Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6571967
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Voter ID would of worked well in the past but now they are handing out IDs to illegals, if you can't win it then rig it and steal it!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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I don't think I have ever been able to vote without being asked for ID. And there is always at least one woman working the polls where I vote that has known me for years.

Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: gryhkl] #6571975
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Originally Posted by gryhkl
I don't think I have ever been able to vote without being asked for ID. And there is always at least one woman working the polls where I vote that has known me for years.



Same here the lady at the poll buys eggs from me and still get to see my ID and then checks me off of the registered voters list! Our electoral votes are no big deal most of the games get played in the bigger Cities where the numbers matter.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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I've never been asked for an ID. When I go, they ask me my name, look it up in a big book full of names of registered voters, and cross my name off. I'm sure it'd be simple enough to go in and give someone else's name and vote more than once.

Then again, voter fraud isn't that common. Sure, it happens, and it's a disgrace to our system of elections, but it just doesn't happen enough to really effect anything. Conservatives scream about voter fraud the same way liberals scream about Russian interference. Sure, both happen, but not to the degree either side wants you to believe.

I would love for only property owners to be able to vote on bond issues and such. If your taxes aren't affected by the issue, then you shouldn't get to vote to raise my taxes.

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Originally Posted by loosegoose
I've never been asked for an ID. When I go, they ask me my name, look it up in a big book full of names of registered voters, and cross my name off. I'm sure it'd be simple enough to go in and give someone else's name and vote more than once.

Then again, voter fraud isn't that common. Sure, it happens, and it's a disgrace to our system of elections, but it just doesn't happen enough to really effect anything. Conservatives scream about voter fraud the same way liberals scream about Russian interference. Sure, both happen, but not to the degree either side wants you to believe.

I would love for only property owners to be able to vote on bond issues and such. If your taxes aren't affected by the issue, then you shouldn't get to vote to raise my taxes.



How do you account for approximately 7 GOP seats flipping to Dem after the polls closed in CA during the midterms ? Do you think ballot harvesting by illegals might have something to do with that ?


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Originally Posted by white17
Originally Posted by loosegoose
I've never been asked for an ID. When I go, they ask me my name, look it up in a big book full of names of registered voters, and cross my name off. I'm sure it'd be simple enough to go in and give someone else's name and vote more than once.

Then again, voter fraud isn't that common. Sure, it happens, and it's a disgrace to our system of elections, but it just doesn't happen enough to really effect anything. Conservatives scream about voter fraud the same way liberals scream about Russian interference. Sure, both happen, but not to the degree either side wants you to believe.

I would love for only property owners to be able to vote on bond issues and such. If your taxes aren't affected by the issue, then you shouldn't get to vote to raise my taxes.



How do you account for approximately 7 GOP seats flipping to Dem after the polls closed in CA during the midterms ? Do you think ballot harvesting by illegals might have something to do with that ?


Do you have any evidence that voter fraud of any sort was responsible for that?

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Seeing as I am not in charge of voting in CA ..of course not. But I can add 2 & 2. It's CA. The ballot harvesting was run by the Dreamers....illegal aliens.. Ballot harvesting had not been legal in CA prior to this. All seats were originally 'won' by GOP candidates but flipped to DNC over the next week or so. Why does CA have 112 percent of eligible adults registered to vote ?

It seems to me that most objective viewers would conclude that there was fraud or tampering involved. To think it was coincidental is naive. Even if it was random chance.....not ALL seats would have flipped in one direction.


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So no evidence......Just like the left is convinced that Trump colluded with Russia.....The election didn't go their way, so their convinced something fishy happened, it couldn't possibly be that the election was won fair and square. Conservatives do the exact same thing.

The list from heritage.com that you linked only shows two convictions for Nebraska.

It shows more from California, the state being discussed, but not enough to flip one district, let alone seven.

If you're interested, voter fraud happens occasionally on the right, too. Here's an article about a woman who voted for Trump twice.

Article about voter fraud

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Show me where a similar election result has gone the other way with that magnitude.

I never said that it doesn't happen on the other side. The fact that you can find one example of a Trump vote makes the point that fraud is historic and systemic on the left.


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Originally Posted by white17
Show me where a similar election result has gone the other way with that magnitude.

I never said that it doesn't happen on the other side. The fact that you can find one example of a Trump vote makes the point that fraud is historic and systemic on the left.



Show me evidence that voter fraud caused it to go that way.......

I'm not the one who needs to show any evidence. You're making a claim that voter fraud changed the outcome of not just one election, but seven elections. That's quite the claim, and if there's any validity to it, I'd love to see it. Anything.....a newspaper article, something of that nature?

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Guess what. I don't have to prove anything either. I think most any rational person would have to conclude that those outcomes are far outside any normal statistical parameters. It is certainly 'unusual' enough to warrant questioning the legitimacy of those outcomes.

If you are interested you can look for the evidence one way or the other on your own time. There are plenty of pieces addressing it


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Good grief. Bigfoot is real, too, and I don't have to prove it. Any rational person would have to conclude that those footprints I found in the woods and the strange noises I heard couldn't be made by anything other than bigfoot.

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Originally Posted by Law Dog
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I don't think I have ever been able to vote without being asked for ID. And there is always at least one woman working the polls where I vote that has known me for years.



Same here the lady at the poll buys eggs from me and still get to see my ID and then checks me off of the registered voters list! Our electoral votes are no big deal most of the games get played in the bigger Cities where the numbers matter.


Our votes out here in the boonies don't matter much in national elections either. I killed an archery buck the night bill clinton was elected. I loaded the deer, rushed home, cleaned up quickly and rushed to the polling place. I was the second last person to vote there. I voted for Bush and when I got home a few minutes later clinton was already being declared the winner in PA.
Oh well, an old friend always tells me to. "Think globally but act locally".

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I think the "voter fraud" will be used by the losing side in any close election from here on out. We live in a day where anyone can claim "fake news" every time they don't like what they hear. Too many worry more about what they believe their group thinks instead of thinking for themselves. Willful ignorance is what has given us the division in this country and the parties use it to their advantage.

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Originally Posted by gryhkl
"Think globally but act locally".


By the same people who were spouting "diversity" and "tolerance" until it didn't suit them anymore.

Re: Voting in U.S. [Re: Fisher Man] #6572040
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Well, in Pennsylvania, pitt and philly pretty much determine the way the state goes nationally. We in rural areas only have much of an effect on the local elections. I believe the old guy's advice was good.

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I live in New York State. I have voted in every election since I was old enough, however the state is dominated by New York city and Long Island to the point that the politicians don't even bother
to come here; they know the state will go democrat. MY VOTE COUNTS FOR NOTHING ! I truly do not have representation in Washington, they are only interested in promoting themselves.
If Pelosi ever stops short there will be a dreadful accident.

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Originally Posted by Aaron Proffitt
Originally Posted by brianmall
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Only US citizens should be counted on census!


Disagree . Lots of people here legally who aren't citizens. Review Michael's , aka Scuba1, story.



So non citizens should be granted representation in Congress?

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States get representation in political power with electoral votes due to population. With the way our current system works:. If your counted on census? Then you gain representation for that state with electoral votes.

Fine

Count them. But they should not be allowed to alter our representation nor change electoral vote.

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Nobody that gets a government check should vote. That includes Social Security, Military and other government employees, farmers that get subsidies, etc...

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Originally Posted by CGilliam
Nobody that gets a government check should vote. That includes Social Security, Military and other government employees, farmers that get subsidies, etc...


I am with you except on the military part. They are defending the nation. They get a pass.

We have to change who the politicians cater to. If tax payer and property owners are the only ones that can vote, that is who they will cater to.


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The biggest way that the democrats steal American elections is through provisional and absentee ballots. The provisional ballots are frequently mixed with good ballots, even when they are not approved.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article221452655.html

People in most US States can cast a provisional ballot even after poll workers have found them ineligible to vote.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/asking-for-provisional-ballots/

The bigger problem is that the people judging the veracity of the provisional ballots frequently allow ballots with insufficient voter credentials to be counted, which is how illegal aliens, legal aliens without voting rights and felons vote democrat.

Absentee ballots are frequently obtained in the name of legal voters, such as the elderly, infirm or homeless, who are instructed to vote democrat and who in many cases never see their ballots, which are filled out illegally by a democrat.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/electi...idents-of-long-term-care-facilities.aspx

There are many thousands of news articles on voter fraud by democrats in the US, many times more so then there articles about Republicans. Google and other leftist supporters bury the articles deep down the searches, but they are still there if you look.

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CGilliam did you ever get a tax return? By your logic, you dont get to vote.

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Only US citizens should have the right to vote. I have to show my ID every time I vote.

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POTUS signed an EO to include the citizenship question. AG Barr states it is completely reasonable to know how many citizens and non-citizens there are in the US

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Just do away with elections. That way all bickering would stop and there would be no need for the party system. Just have all the women that was dressed in white at President Trumps State Of the Union Address mud wrestle and the one that comes out with the least mud on her will be our Queen Bee and we can all live in perfect harmony and live happily ever after.

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Adam m, unless there was a different EO I'm not aware of, he decided against including the question on the census so it wouldn't be delayed any longer by the inevitable court challenges that would come from such action and instead used EO to direct all other agencies to provide the Commerce Department with any info regarding citizenship.

So it won't be on the census.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...citizens-through-the-commerce-department

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What if we leave it up to individual states or cities whether to allow legal resident aliens the right to vote in local elections?

If you say no, what about states' rights?

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Originally Posted by adam m
POTUS signed an EO to include the citizenship question. AG Barr states it is completely reasonable to know how many citizens and non-citizens there are in the US



Not exactly. There will not be a citizenship question of the census form. The executive order tells all federal government agencies to hand over all their info on who is and isn't a citizen.

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Noncitizens voting is than more than one for one vote. It really has a multiple affect. A few illegal votes in the right places can overturn an election. The democrats know this that's why they want more illegals. That is why only US citizens should be allowed to vote.

I would never ever trust my 2ed amendment, fishing, hunting and trapping rights to people who don't care them.

Would you want the 2ed amendment overturned by noncitizens ?


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Originally Posted by James
What if we leave it up to individual states or cities whether to allow legal resident aliens the right to vote in local elections?

If you say no, what about states' rights?

Jim



That might work if they entered the country legally. You wouldn't support illegals influencing our elections, would you?

Then there's the Supremacy Clause.

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CGilliam did you ever get a tax return? By your logic, you dont get to vote.


Can’t believe no one picked the low hanging fruit .

Tax returns aren’t gifts , entitlements, or “bonus money “. It’s simply a return of an interest free loan YOU gave Uncle Sam.

Perhaps folks should have basic knowledge of our government before voting.


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It's still a government check, no? I understand that it's your money the governments holds interest free and gives back what they dont have a valid claim for. What about Social Security? Should we not let anyone that's retired and collecting SS they've paid into for 40 years vote?

No government employees? Should that include city, county and state governments employees as well?

As long as we're implementing arbitrary voting restrictions, we shouldn't allow anyone living in a city with more than 250,000 people vote either.

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Thanks for the clarification. I must have misunderstood his EO while watching the speech.

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Originally Posted by Aaron Proffitt
Originally Posted by tlguy
CGilliam did you ever get a tax return? By your logic, you dont get to vote.


Can’t believe no one picked the low hanging fruit .

Tax returns aren’t gifts , entitlements, or “bonus money “. It’s simply a return of an interest free loan YOU gave Uncle Sam.

Perhaps folks should have basic knowledge of our government before voting.



Kinda like, if you buy groceries you are benefiting from farmers subsidies as much if not more than the farmer because the prices are lower?

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More like after all the deductions and what not , you should’ve paid in $10,000 but you paid $15,000. You get the $5,000 back of your money.

You guys don’t really believe your making money when you’re getting a tax refund do you ?


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Only citizens should be allowed to vote.


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For the last 30 years I wrote checks out for my taxes, being self employed, so no that never crossed my mind.

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So who's ready to end this Democracy nonsense and start pushing for Monarchy as God and nature intended?

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It's not a democracy.

The United States of America is a federal republic. It is "federal" in that it has a single national government as well as a collection of states and territories, each with its own government and empowered to enact local laws. It is a "republic" in that voters elect representatives and officials to act on their behalf.

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Originally Posted by Garryowen
It's not a democracy.

The United States of America is a federal republic. It is "federal" in that it has a single national government as well as a collection of states and territories, each with its own government and empowered to enact local laws. It is a "republic" in that voters elect representatives and officials to act on their behalf.

Garryowen


Republics devolve into democracy, look at all these ballot initiatives removing sensible wildlife management due to emotion of the mob. Constitutional rights can be taken away by voting, to me that is democracy. Our only real requirements to vote is 18+ and a pulse, that is a huge mistake in my eyes and seems to be a symptom of a democracy not a republic.

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The Usa like Canada is an electoral democracy.

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The Usa like Canada is an electoral democracy.

Silly silly canook lol, no.


Disclaimer: I am currently drunk, yet still confident that this makes sense.
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HA HA catch 22,silly yankee,that is from a US source,freedom house's 2017 world survey.

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Originally Posted by Boco
The Usa like Canada is an electoral democracy.

Originally Posted by Boco
HA HA catch 22,silly yankee,that is from a US source,freedom house's 2017 world survey.



A Republic, If You Can Keep It
At the close of the Constitutional Convention on September 17, 1787, as Benjamin Franklin left
the hall in Philadelphia, he was asked, “What kind of government have you given us, Dr.
Franklin?” He replied: “A republic, if you can keep it.”1

It is noteworthy that Article 4, Section 4 of the United States Constitution specifies that every
State in the United States was to have a Republican form of government: “The United States
shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government…”
As the Constitutional Convention convened in 1787, the perspective and intention of a limited,
non-democratic government was held from the very beginning of their discussions. On 31 May
1787, Edmund Randolph told his fellow delegates that the purpose of the Convention was “…to
provide a cure for the evils under which the United States labored; that in tracing these evils to
their origin, every man had found it in the turbulence and follies of democracy….”2

In his defense of the outcome of the Convention of 1787, James Madison, the “Father of the
Constitution,” eloquently expressed the fundamental concerns about democracy and the
protections of a republic:
“Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have
ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in
general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths…
“A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place,
opens a different prospect and promises the cure for which we are seeking.”3

Many other powerful statements regarding the dangers of democracy and the virtues of republics
are noted throughout the Federalist Papers. Wise philosophers and statesmen from early history
recognized the dangers inherent in democracy, and warned society. American founding father,
John Adams, understood well the shortcomings of democracy:
“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There
never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.”4

During the founding era of America, historian Alexander Tytler is said to have explained at least
part of the reason why a democracy tends to destroy itself:
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until [a
majority of] the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse [gifts] from the public
treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most
benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose
fiscal policy [taxing and spending], always followed by a dictatorship. The average life of the
world’s greatest civilizations has been two hundred years.”5

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Alexander Hamilton also raised his voice in warning against democracy:
“It has been observed, by an honorable gentleman, that a pure democracy, if it were practicable,
would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position in politics is more
false than this. The ancient democracies, in which the people themselves deliberated, never
possessed one feature of good government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure,
deformity.”6

It is interesting to contrast the words of the American founders to those scurrilous leaders of the
communist movement:
Karl Marx sought to foster democracy to promote the philosophies he wrote of in The
Communist Manifesto. Democracy was seen by Marx as progress towards full blown
communism:
“We have seen above that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the
proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle of democracy.”
Lenin, the communist revolutionary who enslaved Russia, recognized democracy as a tool for his
purposes, writing:
“…just as socialism cannot be victorious unless it introduces complete democracy, so the
proletariat will be unable to prepare for victory over the bourgeoisie unless it wages a many-
sided, consistent and revolutionary struggle for democracy.”7

In 1938 and 1939, the future communist dictator of Mainland China, Mao Tse-tung, following
the lead of Karl Marx and Lenin, explained:
“Education in democracy must be carried on within the Party so that members can understand
the meaning of democratic life, the meaning of the relationship between democracy and
centralism, and the way in which democratic centralism should be put into practice.”8

“Taken as a whole, the Chinese revolutionary movement led by the Communist Party embraces
the two stages, i.e., the democratic and the socialist revolutions, which are two essentially
different revolutionary processes, and the second process can be carried through only after the
first has been completed. The democratic revolution is the necessary preparation for the socialist
revolution, and the socialist revolution is the inevitable sequel to the democratic revolution.”9

From the perspective of those who seek to subjugate humanity under their bloody yoke,
implementing democracy is a necessary preliminary step.
Tragically, early in the 20th Century, United States President Woodrow Wilson and his “alter
ego” Edwin Mandell House popularized the concept of democracy as the American political
form of government, and its value for the entire world (“We must make the world safe for
democracy”). Since that time, there has been an unremitting effort on the part of the socialist-
globalist cabal to universalize the false philosophy that the United States of America was

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established originally as a democracy, and that that form of government continues to be the ideal
of this nation, as well as the goal of all nations which would be free.
Today the term “democracy” is used almost exclusively as a term to describe the form of
government which its promoters would say governs the United States. While this is a totally false
concept, it has been made almost universally accepted as true.
Presidents, governors, senators,
congressmen, media moguls, teachers, etc. embrace and promote democracy as America’s form
of government. Indeed, based upon the ubiquitous and universal nature of the effort, it would
seem appropriate to term the movement to redefine the Nation as a democracy an organized
“campaign.” Because of this, it is critically important to remind ourselves that the United States
is a republic. It was created as a republic by well-thought, purposeful action. It was specifically
NOT created as a democracy.

In a republic, the elected representatives create legislation within the limited framework
established by the Nation’s charter, The United States Constitution. The founders saw many
dangers inherent in a democracy, and they rejected it as a dangerous form of government, prone
to a kind of “mob rule” mentality. They unequivocally established a republic, placing limits upon
the power of the legislature by which they could create law, thus seeking to prevent tyranny.
- Scott N. Bradley
1. Papers of Dr. James McHenry on the Federal Convention of 1787, in Charles C. Tansill, comp.
Documents Illustrative of the Formation of the Union of the American States [Washington: U.S.
Printing Office, 1927], page 952.
2. James Madison, Journal of the Federal Convention, Vol.1, p.81
3. The Federalist No. 10
4. John Adams, letter to John Taylor, April 15, 1814.—The Works of John Adams, ed. Charles
Francis Adams, vol. 6, p. 484 [1851]
5. Quoted in Laurel Hicks et al., American Government and Economics [Pensacola, Fla.: Becka
Book Publication, 1984], p. 37
6. Alexander Hamilton, Jonathan Elliot, Debates on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution,
Vol. 2, p.253
7. V. I. Lenin, The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self Determination (Theses),
Editorial Board of Social-Democrat, Central Organ of the R.S.D.L.P., Published in German in
April 1916 in Vorbote, No. 2 Published in Russian in October 1916 in Sbornik Sotsial-
Demokrata, No. 1 Printed according to the Sbornik text. Written in January-February 1916
8. Mao Tse-tung, The Role of the Chinese Communist Party in the National War [October 1938],
Selected Works, Vol. II, p. 205.

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Being a republic does not exclude you from being an electoral democracy.

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established originally as a democracy, and that that form of government continues to be the ideal
of this nation, as well as the goal of all nations which would be free.
Today the term “democracy” is used almost exclusively as a term to describe the form of
government which its promoters would say governs the United States. While this is a totally false
concept, it has been made almost universally accepted as true.
Presidents, governors, senators,
congressmen, media moguls, teachers, and Boco. embrace and promote democracy as America’s form
of government. Indeed, based upon the ubiquitous and universal nature of the effort, it would
seem appropriate to term the movement to redefine the Nation as a democracy an organized
“campaign.” Because of this, it is critically important to remind ourselves that the United States
is a republic. It was created as a republic by well-thought, purposeful action. It was specifically
NOT created as a democracy.

In a republic, the elected representatives create legislation within the limited framework
established by the Nation’s charter, The United States Constitution. The founders saw many
dangers inherent in a democracy, and they rejected it as a dangerous form of government, prone
to a kind of “mob rule” mentality. They unequivocally established a republic, placing limits upon
the power of the legislature by which they could create law, thus seeking to prevent tyranny.
- Scott N. Bradley
1. Papers of Dr. James McHenry on the Federal Convention of 1787, in Charles C. Tansill, comp.
Documents Illustrative of the Formation of the Union of the American States [Washington: U.S.
Printing Office, 1927], page 952.
2. James Madison, Journal of the Federal Convention, Vol.1, p.81
3. The Federalist No. 10
4. John Adams, letter to John Taylor, April 15, 1814.—The Works of John Adams, ed. Charles
Francis Adams, vol. 6, p. 484 [1851]
5. Quoted in Laurel Hicks et al., American Government and Economics [Pensacola, Fla.: Becka
Book Publication, 1984], p. 37
6. Alexander Hamilton, Jonathan Elliot, Debates on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution,
Vol. 2, p.253
7. V. I. Lenin, The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self Determination (Theses),
Editorial Board of Social-Democrat, Central Organ of the R.S.D.L.P., Published in German in
April 1916 in Vorbote, No. 2 Published in Russian in October 1916 in Sbornik Sotsial-
Demokrata, No. 1 Printed according to the Sbornik text. Written in January-February 1916
8. Mao Tse-tung, The Role of the Chinese Communist Party in the National War [October 1938],
Selected Works, Vol. II, p. 205.

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Originally Posted by Boco
Being a republic does not exclude you from being an electoral democracy.

Silly Irish Canook lol. Stick to fur. grin


Disclaimer: I am currently drunk, yet still confident that this makes sense.
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I doubt our founding fathers could conceive what America may become, but I feel confident they would question foreign intrusion in it's build up.

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North Korea is a republic.But unlike the US republic it is not an electoral democracy.
All free western countries,the US,Australia,Canada etc,although they have different systems of government are all electoral democracys.
There are many republics that are far from free and are not electoral democracys.

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Originally Posted by Boco
North Korea is a republic.But unlike the US republic it is not an electoral democracy.
All free western countries,the US,Australia,Canada etc,although they have different systems of government are all electoral democracys.
There are many republics that are far from free and are not electoral democracys.



The government of the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea has been dominated by the ruling Workers’ Party of Korea since 1948. It has been described as a socialist state and a totalitarian dictatorship. The East Asian country has its government structure fashioned on the Soviet model, where the primary principle is self-reliance on its national resources. The government of North Korea subscribes to communist ideologies under a dictatorship. The Constitution in use was adopted by the country in 1998 and subsequently amended in 2009, 2012, 2013, and 2016. The government of North Korea holds tight control over the country.

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America is a "constitutional" republic.

But we are quickly turning into and "Democratic" republic/banana republic and will end up a dictatorship like your north Korea boco.

Most of the other "republics" you speak of in the world today are not comparable to the USA. In short: other peoples in world were envious of American freedom and put pressure om their Govt to get in step. So, they change a few things and throw republic in their name and there ya go. Commie turd continues to oppress, murder, and bleed the people under him.

In the context of American constitutional law, the definition of republic refers specifically to a form of government in which elected individuals represent the citizen body[2][better source needed] and exercise power according to the rule of law under a constitution, including separation of powers with an elected head of state, referred to as a constitutional republic[4][5][6][7] or representative democracy.[8]

As of 2017, 159 of the world’s 206 sovereign states use the word “republic” as part of their official names – not all of these are republics in the sense of having elected governments, nor is the word “republic” used in the names of all nations with elected governments.


The word republic comes from the Latin term res publica, which literally means “public thing,” “public matter,” or “public affair” and was used to refer to the state as a whole. The term developed its modern meaning in reference to the constitution of the ancient Roman Republic, lasting from the overthrow of the kings in 509 B.C. to the establishment of the Empire in 27 B.C. This constitution was characterized by a Senate composed of wealthy aristocrats and wielding significant influence; several popular assemblies of all free citizens, possessing the power to elect magistrates and pass laws; and a series of magistracies with varying types of civil and political authority.

Most often a republic is a single sovereign state, but there are also sub-sovereign state entities that are referred to as republics, or that have governments that are described as “republican” in nature. For instance, Article IV of the United States Constitution "guarantee[s] to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government".[9] In contrast, the former Soviet Union, which described itself as being a group of “Republics” and also as a “federal multinational state composed of 15 republics”, was widely viewed as being a totalitarian form of government and not a genuine republic, since its electoral system was structured so as to automatically guarantee the election of government-sponsored candidates.[10]

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You can call yourself whatever you want,you are still an electoral democracy like all other free western democracys.

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Originally Posted by Boco
You can call yourself whatever you want,you are still an electoral democracy like all other free western democracys.


Stop trying to interfere with our American superiority complex.

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