No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers ***NO POLITICS
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting~The Pen and Quill

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum~ Fermenter's Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Minnesota Trapline Products
Please support our sponsor for the Trappers Talk Page - Minnesota Trapline Products


Print Thread
Hop To
Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? #6586355
08/02/19 11:20 AM
08/02/19 11:20 AM
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,426
Missouri
ol' dad Offline OP
trapper
ol' dad  Offline OP
trapper

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,426
Missouri
We have a one room cabin on our farm that isn't equipped with a deep well or rural water supply. We buried a 300 gallon tank and have always hauled in water 150 gallons at a time. Its only about 75 cents for 150 gallons, plus the expense of hauling it a couple miles which isn't much. However, the local water district just changed their policy to where you now have to schedule an appointment to come get water at their supply house, which is a big inconvenience since I live two hours from our farm.

We have a small pond located about 30 yards from the cabin. I'm considering installing some kind of reverse osmosis water filtration system and pulling water directly from the pond. It would just be for showers, toilet, and washing dishes. We use bottled water for drinking. On average we only use about 75 gallons per month.

Has anyone installed something similar? I'm looking for info on a reputable system and costs? The pond sits about 10' to 15' below the elevation of the cabin so I know I'd need a pretty strong pump to get it uphill.

The cost of a deep well or extending public water would be $15k +/-. I can't justify that for just 75 gallons a month.

Any help would be appreciated!

ol'dad


"I season my food with hunger"
Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586361
08/02/19 11:30 AM
08/02/19 11:30 AM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,967
Ohio
OhioBoy Offline
trapper
OhioBoy  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,967
Ohio
First thing I'd do is get a long hose of pex or garden hose or something and try siphoning it to a tank near the house.
If I were doing it from scratch my tank at the house would be a 500 gallon ag tank with a floaty toilet bowl ball valve thinger that would close when it was full.
Then I'd treat the water there. I wouldn't filter it if I wasn't drinking it other than running screens at the pond and tank itself.

The trick to the siphon is to have more volume of down hill hose than over the hill hose.
i.e. you want a right triangle with a long run, a short rise, and the hypotenuse would be your hose and the rise would be the hose going into the pond.

Is that what you mean?

If your already pumping water out of your sistron then you can just put a filter on the outlet of that pump if thats what your mean but then you sistorn is just pond water I guess.

Hopefully that helps.

Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586373
08/02/19 11:47 AM
08/02/19 11:47 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,751
williamsburg ks
D
danny clifton Offline
"Grumpy Old Man"
danny clifton  Offline
"Grumpy Old Man"
D

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,751
williamsburg ks
you cant siphon up hill. the end of the drain hose has to be lower than the water supply end. water wont run uphill. you can get a siphon to run uphill because of pressure disparity only when the drain is lower. so it can go over a hump but not to an elevation higher than the supply. If you could siphon up hill there would be no need for pumps.

Dishes and showers means exposure to potentially harmful bacteria and virus. With a fifty gallon plastic barrel you can build a primary filter. Put gravel in the top, sand in the middle and charcoal on the bottom. Install a drain in the bottom that empties into a second barrel. The water should be clear coming out of the barrel filter. Filter that water through a ceramic filter. It will be biologically safe to drink. If your pond doesn't collect pesticides herbicides and fertilizer you will have better drinking water than most bottled water. It will be safe for showers and dishes regardless.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586375
08/02/19 11:50 AM
08/02/19 11:50 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,751
williamsburg ks
D
danny clifton Offline
"Grumpy Old Man"
danny clifton  Offline
"Grumpy Old Man"
D

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,751
williamsburg ks
P.S. you will need to periodically back flush the ceramic filter and change out the gravel sand and charcoal


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586376
08/02/19 11:52 AM
08/02/19 11:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,663
S.E. Ohio
M
M.Magis Offline
trapper
M.Magis  Offline
trapper
M

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,663
S.E. Ohio
I looked into the reverse osmosis systems, but found for me a whole house UV water sterilizer worked better. Or maybe it was cheaper, I can't remember now. Also had to install in inline filter, about $40. This is the UV system I bought. I've tested the water a couple times and it's tested good.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N2YMU3O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586380
08/02/19 12:12 PM
08/02/19 12:12 PM
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,321
vermont
V
vermontster Offline
trapper
vermontster  Offline
trapper
V

Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,321
vermont
M.Magis have you ever noticed that the UV system would heat the water and you would get hot water out cold side of the faucet? I was inspecting a house that was unoccupied for some time and I was doing the exterior of the house first and turned on the hose bib and scalding hot water came out for a while and then ran cold. The UV light had heated the water sitting there in the canister. I’m not sure if it was just that brand or a older model that caused it to happen. I recommend checking with the manufacturer about it and be cautious about turning on the cold water after extended non use. If a child had turned that hose bib on it could have gotten a severe burn!


The bitterness of poor quality last a lot longer than the sweetness of low price
Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586382
08/02/19 12:14 PM
08/02/19 12:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,967
Ohio
OhioBoy Offline
trapper
OhioBoy  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,967
Ohio
i didn't really mean to siphon up hill.

I was trying to say if you dip a hose into water and throw it up over something and then run the other end to the house it should work as long as the hose running to the house is longer than the hose your dipping into the water.

The ground may be up hill, that doesn't mean the hose has to be.

Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586405
08/02/19 01:04 PM
08/02/19 01:04 PM
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 1,482
Ne pa
J
Jerry Jr. Offline
trapper
Jerry Jr.  Offline
trapper
J

Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 1,482
Ne pa
I put together a ro system this past year to help with reducing the boiling time while making maple syrup. What you would need would be a couple 50 gallon tanks. The first would be where your pump would fill (instead of your pressure tank). From there you would run through your ro system into the second 50 gallon tank. From that tank you would run into your pressure tank. You would need to run a hose to a drain for your "waste" water. I didn't go into details about the ro system since there are plenty pictures on line.

Not sure how you plan to get the water from the pond to the holding tank. I would put filters on at the pond and before the tank to keep the big stuff out.


Time is more precious than gold if you know how to spend it
.... but what do I know, I'm just a dumb farmer.~My Dad
NRA LIFE MEMBER, Endowment Member
Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586418
08/02/19 01:16 PM
08/02/19 01:16 PM
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,852
meadowview, Virginia
E
EdP Offline
trapper
EdP  Offline
trapper
E

Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,852
meadowview, Virginia
Whether or not a siphon will work is not determined by the length of hose but by the elevation of the surface of the supply source relative to the outlet. If the hose outlet is below the supply source surface, water will siphon, otherwise not. That's what Danny was saying in a little bit different way.

Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: vermontster] #6586429
08/02/19 01:52 PM
08/02/19 01:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,663
S.E. Ohio
M
M.Magis Offline
trapper
M.Magis  Offline
trapper
M

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,663
S.E. Ohio
Originally Posted by vermontster
M.Magis have you ever noticed that the UV system would heat the water and you would get hot water out cold side of the faucet? I was inspecting a house that was unoccupied for some time and I was doing the exterior of the house first and turned on the hose bib and scalding hot water came out for a while and then ran cold. The UV light had heated the water sitting there in the canister. I’m not sure if it was just that brand or a older model that caused it to happen. I recommend checking with the manufacturer about it and be cautious about turning on the cold water after extended non use. If a child had turned that hose bib on it could have gotten a severe burn!

Yes, it does heat the water, though not nearly that much. When I brush my teeth in the morning it's luke warm. Never hot though.

Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586459
08/02/19 02:53 PM
08/02/19 02:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,967
Ohio
OhioBoy Offline
trapper
OhioBoy  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,967
Ohio
Maybe my way isn’t called a siphon then but if you can fill the hose or pipe with water, gravity will do all the work.

Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586474
08/02/19 03:35 PM
08/02/19 03:35 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 16,175
ny
U
upstateNY Offline
trapper
upstateNY  Offline
trapper
U

Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 16,175
ny
How much land you got?Any where you could dig a shallow well?I would have a well digger check it out for you.I would witch it for you but your a tad far away.


the wheels of the gods turn very slowly
Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586509
08/02/19 04:37 PM
08/02/19 04:37 PM
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,852
meadowview, Virginia
E
EdP Offline
trapper
EdP  Offline
trapper
E

Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,852
meadowview, Virginia
OhioBoy, perhaps this will help.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siphon

Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586542
08/02/19 05:27 PM
08/02/19 05:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,967
Ohio
OhioBoy Offline
trapper
OhioBoy  Offline
trapper

Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,967
Ohio
I set it up in the garage and just knew I was going to prove you wrong but I’m full of crap and can admit it. My bad. Carry on.

Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586548
08/02/19 05:37 PM
08/02/19 05:37 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,751
williamsburg ks
D
danny clifton Offline
"Grumpy Old Man"
danny clifton  Offline
"Grumpy Old Man"
D

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 29,751
williamsburg ks
making an honest mistake is not being full of crap. everybody has done it and will do it again


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586642
08/02/19 07:40 PM
08/02/19 07:40 PM
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,852
meadowview, Virginia
E
EdP Offline
trapper
EdP  Offline
trapper
E

Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,852
meadowview, Virginia
Kudus to you OhioBoy for doing the experiment! Nothing like seeing it for yourself to make a lesson stick. I understand the physics behind how it works but could not explain it succinctly enough for anyone to understand. I hoped the wiki would help.

Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586785
08/02/19 09:50 PM
08/02/19 09:50 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,459
Oregon
H
H2ORat Offline
trapper
H2ORat  Offline
trapper
H

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,459
Oregon
Been working with wells and some water treatment for nearly 30 years -- uv kills the bugs -- reverse osmosis makes it drinkable (with the exception of chemicals and pesticides) . Get a water test done (+- 100 $) and take it to your preferred water treatment guy -- if he is any good he will steer you in the right direction. R/O is the best but it is expensive and you may not need R/O. UV might be fine for your situation. Every water source is different. Some may be unsuitable and some are great. Filter everything (multiple times if necessary) . Bigger is better when it comes to filters == manufacturers tend to exagerate their gallon per minute claims.

Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586841
08/02/19 10:29 PM
08/02/19 10:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 3,558
North central Iowa
B
Bob_Iowa Offline
trapper
Bob_Iowa  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 3,558
North central Iowa
One thing about the pump if you filling the tank over the top and no head pressure from the tank it shouldn’t take too much to push the water that far, just depends how fast you want to fill it.

Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: ol' dad] #6586862
08/02/19 11:10 PM
08/02/19 11:10 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,897
Oakland, MS
Drifter Offline
trapper
Drifter  Offline
trapper

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,897
Oakland, MS
Sand point may work for you.


Some individuals use statistics as a drunk man uses lamp-posts — for support rather than for illumination.

Andrew Lang (1844-1912) Scottish poet, novelist and literary critic









Life member NTA , and GA Trappers assoc .
Re: Who's familiar with home water filtration systems? [Re: Drifter] #6586871
08/02/19 11:20 PM
08/02/19 11:20 PM
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,459
Oregon
H
H2ORat Offline
trapper
H2ORat  Offline
trapper
H

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,459
Oregon
Just remember that just because it comes from the ground doesn't mean it's potable. but it is a very good start -- the ground is a very good filter.

Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread