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Re: I think it is time to buy a semi-automatic rifle. [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6588050
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The private sale or purchase of firearms between residents of the same state is legal under federal law. Only a few states have laws prohibiting it. So, buy them (semi auto rifles) via private sale in your own state (if legal). Don't say anything about having them. Buy plenty of mags for them at gun shows and ammo also. Use cash. As Gandalf told Frodo about The Ring "Keep it secret, keep it safe."

Re: I think it is time to buy a semi-automatic rifle. [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6588051
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Re: I think it is time to buy a semi-automatic rifle. [Re: Zim] #6588128
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Originally Posted by Zim
I used to have a couple AR's, they were lost in an unfortunate boating accident.

Zim


We must have got our boats at the same dealer


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Re: I think it is time to buy a semi-automatic rifle. [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6588576
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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
Not that I really need or want one but with this latest mass shootings it looks like the writing is on the wall. It is only in due time the Republicans will start supporting these feel good ridiculous gun laws. I’ll purchase one just because the liberals say I shouldn’t have one.


Just did it. Looks like a good firearm for coyote hunting. Don’t know about the effective long range yet. Shoots 223’s. What power scope do you experts suggest for western desert and mountain hunting?

Re: I think it is time to buy a semi-automatic rifle. [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6588585
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How about a semi automatic 12 ga with a bunch of big drum magazines full of buck.


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Re: I think it is time to buy a semi-automatic rifle. [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6588589
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223 55gr ammo starts dropping quickly after 300 yards and very quickly after 400

max range of a 55gr bullet is about 600 yards on a target and more like 300 on any sort of game.

at 600 yards a 55gr bullet is about to go sub sonic before 700 yards

a 50 and 250 yard zero are generally ideal for most game shooting 0 at 50 , 1.5 high at 100 2 inches high at 150 , 1.5 high at 200 and back to zero at 250

more people over scope than under scope a 2-7 or a 3-9 is generally fine unless your trying to shoot little groups on paper.

there are heavier bullets than 55 but they drop enough you really need to know your dope to make them useful any farther out than the 55gr.


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Re: I think it is time to buy a semi-automatic rifle. [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6588601
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Got a pile of them. They are fun. I have them in many calibers. reliable 22 is my go to bug out rig. Can carry plenty of ammo without weight or space and is adequate for taking game and protection if need be. I also like bolt guns and encores. If hunkered down at home then more powerful long range is a plus. A good side arm and blade always nice. And don't forget 550 cord and real deal snaring equipment. I am not a prepper by any means. I will say that after doing several infantry tours if by ones self you are still standing after 1,000 rounds from confrontation. I want on your team.


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Re: I think it is time to buy a semi-automatic rifle. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #6588606
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
223 55gr ammo starts dropping quickly after 300 yards and very quickly after 400

max range of a 55gr bullet is about 600 yards on a target and more like 300 on any sort of game.

at 600 yards a 55gr bullet is about to go sub sonic before 700 yards

a 50 and 250 yard zero are generally ideal for most game shooting 0 at 50 , 1.5 high at 100 2 inches high at 150 , 1.5 high at 200 and back to zero at 250

more people over scope than under scope a 2-7 or a 3-9 is generally fine unless your trying to shoot little groups on paper.

there are heavier bullets than 55 but they drop enough you really need to know your dope to make them useful any farther out than the 55gr.

Super informative. thanks Pete. What would you recommend in barrel twist for the above?


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Re: I think it is time to buy a semi-automatic rifle. [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6588609
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was in a gun store in lyndon ks today. had 223 ar's new for 325. no mags or sights but otherwise complete. said palmetto on the rifles


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Re: I think it is time to buy a semi-automatic rifle. [Re: danny clifton] #6588622
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
was in a gun store in lyndon ks today. had 223 ar's new for 325. no mags or sights but otherwise complete. said palmetto on the rifles

Just bought an upper and a lower from them. All together was 340. Based on the reviews, I'm really looking forward to putting it together.


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Re: I think it is time to buy a semi-automatic rifle. [Re: danny clifton] #6588639
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Danny Clifton - the price is way down on very basic AR rifles

there are 2 upgrades that really are worth doing the first is a free floated barrel , competitive shooters have been doing this for years and many rifles now can be purchased with a free float hand-guard for generally about 75-100 dollars more than the hand-guard that attaches to the delta ring and front sight tower.

the free float tubes attach only to the barrel nut not effecting barrel harmonics

at a rifle clinic I was at there were about 12 of us the first 3 of us to qualify all were running free float hand guards just as you would free float a good bolt action hunting rifle you benefit from free floating the barrel on an AR

on stage 4 at 400 yards shooting with a sling the sling tension changing does effect the POI especially if the sling is mounted directly to the front sight tower as most are , on my non free floated rifle I added a sling attachment mid hand guard and it has a less noticeable effect on POI change

the second is the trigger , just as you benefit from a good crisp trigger with around 3-4 pounds of pull on a good hunting rifle the same holds true on an AR

the triggers are 2 pins and done and can be added any time.

Catch 22 a 1:9 does very well with 55gr pills , 1:8 does well also and lets you venture up to 69gr bullets well and 1:7 would be wanted for heaver bullets

1:7 are common because that is primarily what the army orders but 1:8 and 1:9 are also common.

shooting rested my 20 inch 1:8 223 Wylde has put 10 for 10 rounds under a dollar bill at 400 yards when I was load testing on day 2 of that clinic

that said if you have any plans to run a 22lr conversion the slower the twist the better , we were testing this on one of my 1:7 and my 1:8 and a friends 1:9 and the slower the twist the better the groups got.

1:8 is good middle ground for most anything you could purchase to shoot form your AR other than 22lr.

but if you you have no plans of heavy for caliber bullets 1:9 would do you nicely for all your 55gr bullet needs likewise if you find a screaming deal on a 1:7 in a 16 inch barrel they shoot 55gr bullets decent enough.

if your going SBR or a 14.7inch barrel with a welded on flash hider to make the legal 16 this is where they 1:7 make more sense as they stabilize bullets that are going slower because of the decrease in burn time to establish velocity.

I just load a 55gr soft point for everything my goal was to only need one ammo to feed target or game I am not trying for top velocity I stick to basically book starting and it has worked well in everything so far. I buy the 55gr hornady soft points in bulk and I have taken a deer with this bullet it isn't exactly idea you can expect it will make a mess of heart and lungs but not leave an exit wound so tracking might be an issue if you can't see the deer fall 20-30 yards from where you shot it.

on smaller game it seems to do well.


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Re: I think it is time to buy a semi-automatic rifle. [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6588645
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Holy cow, wow! Thanks much Pete.

OP, I'm no expert at all but will say last year, from recommendations on here I bought a Vortex scope and really like it.


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I'm not going to buy one. Just thought I'd toss that out there for those of you that like them. Guy at the gun store told me the new craze is long distance shooting. Was telling me about some very specialized optics. Very pricey too.


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Re: I think it is time to buy a semi-automatic rifle. [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6588731
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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper


Just did it. Looks like a good firearm for coyote hunting. Don’t know about the effective long range yet. Shoots 223’s. What power scope do you experts suggest for western desert and mountain hunting?


I use a 4x18 on the Grendel, A 4x9 on the .223 and a simple red dot and open sights on the SOCOM for what its worth and it works for me.


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Re: I think it is time to buy a semi-automatic rifle. [Re: danny clifton] #6588809
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I'm not going to buy one. Just thought I'd toss that out there for those of you that like them. Guy at the gun store told me the new craze is long distance shooting. Was telling me about some very specialized optics. Very pricey too.


they call it Precision Rifle there are a few brands of it the PRS precision rifle Series is driving a lot of it , sort of the USPSA or IDPA of rifles.

3 gun is also getting huge but there the max range is only 200 yards

in PR precision rifle the targets are typically steel plates of 2-3 MOA they are placed in a number of stages they are encouraged to be somewhat realistic

PR is driving a lot of the advancements in rifle technology and rifle and shooting accessory technology , they encourage shooting from realistically less steady positions as an example you may be playing the part of a sniper for a stage and you have to set up and make the shots on 3 targets but you have to do it from a mocked up window that isn't at an ideal height for anyone.

it is also driving a lot of the calibers , while 6.5 creedmore wasn't specifically a PRS invention there is a new 6.5 pr that is , they took what they liked about 6.5 creedmoor and tweaked it to get a little more from it.

these guys and gals are burning up barrels at a rate unheard of before , they might get one season from a barrel

PR is driving the 10 round detachable magazines on bolt action rifles 15 years ago you hardly saw any factory bolt guns with 10 round detachable mags and now nearly every manufacture has a few.

25 years ago almost no one claimed MOA or better out of the box and now it is almost an industry standard.


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I like mine, would like to pick up another stripped lower or two if given the chance. I have a Palmetto build kit on an Anderson lower. I wanted something affordable, but not cheap. Kept my eyes open and picked up a complete kit (minus the stripped lower) with an 18" free float barrel, enhanced fire control group and mbus sights for $380 chambered in .223 Wylde. With the stripped lower and a magazine I had a nice rifle for under $450. Looking forward to trying it out on some coyotes this fall and winter.

Those groups are more indicative of my shooting ability than the gun's accuracy. That was freehand at 50 yards with a reflex sight. I've since added a Hawke bipod and Nikon 3-9x40 scope and the groups keep on shrinking the more I practice.


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Just bought 2 semi-auto Colt M-16s today. 1992 and 1993 vintage, unfired. One is 5.56, and the other is 7.62 X 39. Now I need to load up on ammo, the new currency.

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The time to buy was during the last 3 years when things were quite and cheap. An AR15 could be built for around $300 and a 1,000rds of mil spec 5.56 ammunition about the same delivered to your door. 30 rds. magazines for under $10. I'll never understand why people panic buy and wait till whispers of a gun ban to pick these things up when prices skyrocket and shelves empty out. Did we learn nothing from 2012/2013 ?

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the fmj ammo should be just for practice , it is the reason people complain about the ineffectiveness of 223 because it makes 22 cal holes in stuff.

basic 55gr soft points on smaller animals go in .224 and exit looking like a golf ball came out the other side , larger animals like deer .224 in and no exit but lung jelly when you field dress them.

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this is how I like them set up , simple 2-7x32 scope not a bunch of junk hanging off them and a good GI web sling

the Anderson lowers work just fine many places sell them for 50 dollars regularly.


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When was it that there was talk about banning all semi-automatics? I know it was during Obama's administration. They wanted to limit magazine capacities then too. As I recall, the only repeating rifle would be a bolt action or single shot. That was the proposal.


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