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Re: More gun control [Re: loosegoose] #6588642
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I do agree with the part about the death penalty for the criminals of these horrific acts of violence.

Re: More gun control [Re: loosegoose] #6588652
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SniperBB GUESSING Magna Carta so


When I was a FFL dealer I had a couple “delayed “ 4473 that went past the three days and I could have transferred legally. One guy pitched a fit when I told him I would not transfer the pistol until I got a proceed code
TEN BUSINESS DAYS after the original submission of data to NICS I get a call from BATF wanting to know the status of the transfer. I told them there was no transfer on my discretion. Their response was O thank goodness!!
Turns out the guy had been under court mandated psychiatric treatment. The court didn’t get the paperwork to NICS till when they called me. Same thing that happened with the VA TEC shooter. Only that dealer transferred.

The world is going bat crap crazy except me an you an I’m beginning to wonder about you!


“The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined” B. Disraeli

Re: More gun control [Re: Ditchdiver] #6588653
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Originally Posted by Ditchdiver
My question is, when does/will the fighting begin?
I am all for the 2nd amendment and completely against anyone or anything that tries to take my rights away. I am also against war, especially war within our own people/country. But I am not stupid. I know that war is necessary sometimes, and I believe that war will be necessary for us to keep our guns and our rights. So again, when does the fighting begin? We are losing more ground every day, soon, we won't stand a chance....

Disclaimer - this is not a call to arms, it is a serious question of how much farther can the left push us?

Before we start shootin' we may want to try a Convention of States. If that don't work then that would probably be a pretty good signal for a call to arms.
Unfortunately I believe Catch22 may be right. The left will just "educate" them write out of the 2nd. Much like they have done with trapping.

Re: More gun control [Re: cmcf] #6588658
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Originally Posted by cmcf
SniperBB GUESSING Magna Carta so



No. We're doomed.

Re: More gun control [Re: Computer Hater] #6588659
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Originally Posted by Computer Hater
Just read that the Dayton shooter was suspended from school in 2012 for compiling a kill list of people he wanted to kill and a rape list of women he wanted to rape. A big red flag. Seems like he was unstable and maybe with a proper background check, he would have been prevented from legally purchasing a firearm.

We don't need any more gun control laws. We just need to enforce the ones we have.

he should have been prevented from legally walkin around free.

Re: More gun control [Re: loosegoose] #6588660
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There is a push by the left to take away Second Amendment Rights for speech that they consider hate speech. The expert on the BBC News on PBS today said that typing that you support a wall on the Mexican border, in an internet forum, is hate speech. I can see where this is going if the democrats win. Most conservative values will be demonized as hate speech and conservatives will be disarmed for exercising their right to free speech, making it possible for the left to get more and more radical.

Keith

Re: More gun control [Re: loosegoose] #6588667
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Must be the Declaration of Independence then. I only read a couple lines battery low
LOL


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Re: More gun control [Re: loosegoose] #6588672
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The declaration of Independence states that we have not only the right, but the duty, to overthrow a tyrannical government.

Re: More gun control [Re: loosegoose] #6588684
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40 shot and 7 killed in Chicago over the weekend,I guess Illinois needs some more gun laws too! sick

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Re: More gun control [Re: loosegoose] #6588693
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It seems.

A guy can kill a lot of innocent folks, surrender when the cops show up then live a long life. If he wanted to die he would not of given up in the first place so the death penalty seems to be a deterrent with some shooters.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: More gun control [Re: loosegoose] #6588704
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Death penalty is good. Be even better if we brought back public hanging. Public hanging is a more effective deterrent than doing it behind prison walls.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: More gun control [Re: danny clifton] #6588707
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Death penalty is good. Be even better if we brought back public hanging. Public hanging is a more effective deterrent than doing it behind prison walls.
I agree 100% take them out under the oak tree rope horse and let them get what they deserve.

Re: More gun control [Re: loosegoose] #6588710
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Whether or not stricter gun laws, more in depth background checks, would reduce these mass shootings has been discussed so many times. That said, I for one would gladly give up many of my gun rights if I thought for one minute lives would be saved and these horrendous shootings would stop. But, Sadly, bad guys and crazies are going get guns or find any number of other ways to kill and do evil. It doesn't matter how much legislation is passed. Prove otherwise and I'll happily register every gun in my safe.

Re: More gun control [Re: loosegoose] #6588715
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We don't need more laws more prohibitions enforce the laws on books, penalize every state and court jurisdiction who doesn't report criminal records to NICS.
If the potus does sign the red flag or ban "assault" rifles would the nra and other organizations sue?

Re: More gun control [Re: loosegoose] #6588718
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nics background check is just feel good tax dollar wasting bull droppings. ANYBODY WHO WANTS A GUN WILL GET ONE


heroin is illegal. I never tried to buy any but I bet I could in 24 hours or less


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Re: More gun control [Re: loosegoose] #6588746
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Re: More gun control [Re: danny clifton] #6588757
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
nics background check is just feel good tax dollar wasting bull droppings. ANYBODY WHO WANTS A GUN WILL GET ONE


heroin is illegal. I never tried to buy any but I bet I could in 24 hours or less

Exactly.

Re: More gun control [Re: loosegoose] #6588759
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by rex123
Do you really think sticking your head in the sand and saying no no no over and over is going to change anything. I asked those attacking the president what their answer was and nothing. I am a realist they will win the white house again some day they will win the house and senate if we don't do something before that they will. But I knew the answer I would get before I posted sorry to have bothered you with the truth.



One solution is to not be afraid to call out politicians you like when they do something wrong. It's okay to like Trump, but when he says something anti-2A then there needs to be an outcry from the right to tell him he's wrong. He's never going to learn if some people just stick their heads in the sand (to borrow your phrase) and pretend that everything is fine, and just bend over and accept whatever trump does and tell yourself "hey, at least he's not Hillary". Just look at what goes on here. There's plenty on here who here trump say theese things, and when it's brought up in discussion pretend it's okay or refuse to admit he's wrong on this one point. They do silly things like call you a troll or call you a secret Hillary supporter, or say at least he's not Hillary. No president is right 100% of the time, trump included. He's not perfect on 2A stuff, anyone who can't see that is being intentionally blind.

Here's the thing.....you can like trump and be a republican, and still say trump needs to change his position and be more supportive of the 2A. He listens to his base, if his base would scream at him when he says silly things like his speech today, he'd likely listen and change his position.



I agree !! Just because I like most of his policies doesn't mean I can't scream at him for stupid statements. Same was true of GW Bush. The steel tariffs, Iraq, and Harriet Meirs nomination were ridiculous !!


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Well Danny, you and I agree about siphons, but apparently not on gun control and Trump. All I saw was staunch support for our 2nd Amendment rights, a position that the shooter should be held to account, and a plea for more focus on mental health issues. Sounds about right to me. The other side is arguing that water will flow uphill. So, you can support the man that supports the 2nd, vote for someone that would gut it, or throw your vote away. Like everyone else, it is your choice to make. As usual, no candidate aligns perfectly with our own personal views and we must choose the one that aligns most closely. That for me is Donald Trump, regardless of the aspects of his personality that I find obnoxious.

Re: More gun control [Re: EdP] #6588816
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Originally Posted by EdP
As usual, no candidate aligns perfectly with our own personal views and we must choose the one that aligns most closely. That for me is Donald Trump, regardless of the aspects of his personality that I find obnoxious.



That argument is getting awfully tired especially given half the R-candidates in the '16 primary had stronger policies and records on everything that got trump elected. Especially on 2A and immigration.

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