Muskrats vs zebra mussels
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Saturday I was talking to a SE Wi trapper and waterfront land owner. He said he's not targeting his muskrats anymore because they are eating invasive zebra mussels in front of his property. I found this very interesting. I did a bit of research. 1st off, I didn't know zebra mussels were prevelant in Wi. Secondly, I didn't know muskrat eat them. Is it just me or does this present an interesting potential: 1) I'm glad there may be methods to target invasive mussels. BUT, should we trappers be careful what we wish for...if muskrats put a dent in zebra mussels, might some landowners or governmental agencies not want muskrats trapped. Hmmm....
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Re: Muskrats vs zebra mussels
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Guess it will come down to which one they find more destructive to their cause.
I know a lake that's full of both...sooooo.
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Re: Muskrats vs zebra mussels
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Zebra mussels Filter/ clean up the water.
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Re: Muskrats vs zebra mussels
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Zebra mussels Filter/ clean up the water. Is that a good thing?
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Re: Muskrats vs zebra mussels
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[quote=Boco]Zebra mussels Filter/ clean up the water.[/quowell ALittle to well they have sterilized lakes because they have no real predator.
For muskrats however. I thought they only fed on plant roots?
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Re: Muskrats vs zebra mussels
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Re: Muskrats vs zebra mussels
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[quote=Boco]Zebra mussels Filter/ clean up the water.[/quowell ALittle to well they have sterilized lakes because they have no real predator.
For muskrats however. I thought they only fed on plant roots? Muskrats are rodents. They eat whatever they can find.
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Re: Muskrats vs zebra mussels
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Zebra mussels Filter/ clean up the water. They also disrupt the food web and out-compete native mussels and bait fish in intraspecific or interspecific competition for algae and phyto-plankton. Worst of all, zebra mussels bio-accumulate water soluble toxins in their bodies which are then transferred to creatures which prey upon them. In the Great Lakes, they are responsible for massive Botulism outbreaks which kill large numbers of loons, gulls, diver ducks, and many game fishes such as Muskellunge, Lake Sturgeon, Small mouth Bass, Common Carp, Sheepshead. The transfer of Botulism, and Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia (VHS) are accomplished when zebra mussels are eaten by another invasive species, the Round Goby bait fish, which are than eaten by Birds and Game fishes killing huge numbers of these species which then wash up on our beaches, and are then eaten by scavengers which eat the fly maggots off of the dead carcasses and then they in turn die from the botulism, etc. Yes BOCO, Zebra mussels do filter the water of algae and plankton , but their toxic side effects are environmentally devastating. w
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Re: Muskrats vs zebra mussels
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They also disrupt the food web and out-compete native mussels and bait fish
in intraspecific or interspecific competition for algae and phyto-plankton.
Worst of all, zebra mussels bio-accumulate water soluble toxins in their bodies
which are then transferred to creatures which prey upon them.
In the Great Lakes, they are responsible for massive Botulism outbreaks which kill
large numbers of loons, gulls, diver ducks, and many game fishes
such as Muskellunge, Lake Sturgeon, Small mouth Bass, Common Carp, Sheepshead.
The transfer of Botulism, and Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia (VHS) are accomplished
when zebra mussels are eaten by another invasive species,
the Round Goby bait fish, which are than eaten by Birds and Game fishes
killing huge numbers of these species which then wash up on our beaches,
and are then eaten by scavengers which eat the fly maggots off of the dead carcasses
and then they in turn die from the botulism, etc.
Yes BOCO,
Zebra mussels do filter the water of algae and plankton ,
but their toxic side effects are environmentally devastating.
w
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Re: Muskrats vs zebra mussels
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It was for Lake eerie. At least for a while. Then the eventually starve out anything that depends on plankton/phytoplankton Same with lake Michigan. It used to be a murky living lake that people thought was dirty. Now its a crystal clear lifeless (exaggerating) lake with an underminded ecosystem.
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It was for Lake eerie. At least for a while. Then the eventually starve out anything that depends on plankton/phytoplankton Same with lake Michigan. It used to be a murky living lake that people thought was dirty. Now its a crystal clear lifeless (exaggerating) lake with an underminded ecosystem. Noticed that when we were in escanaba for the NTA. Took my kayak out into the lil Bay de noc and that water I could see bottoms 10-15 feet down
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They also disrupt the food web and out-compete native mussels and bait fish
in intraspecific or interspecific competition for algae and phyto-plankton.
Worst of all, zebra mussels bio-accumulate water soluble toxins in their bodies
which are then transferred to creatures which prey upon them.
In the Great Lakes, they are responsible for massive Botulism outbreaks which kill
large numbers of loons, gulls, diver ducks, and many game fishes
such as Muskellunge, Lake Sturgeon, Small mouth Bass, Common Carp, Sheepshead.
The transfer of Botulism, and Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia (VHS) are accomplished
when zebra mussels are eaten by another invasive species,
the Round Goby bait fish, which are than eaten by Birds and Game fishes
killing huge numbers of these species which then wash up on our beaches,
and are then eaten by scavengers which eat the fly maggots off of the dead carcasses
and then they in turn die from the botulism, etc.
Yes BOCO,
Zebra mussels do filter the water of algae and plankton ,
but their toxic side effects are environmentally devastating.
w
Al Gore is that you? AL Gore was a politician. Not a Limnologist. As a low information Canadian, You should stick to commenting on subjects you know something about. Like pond hockey, or trapping pine squirrels !! w
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Re: Muskrats vs zebra mussels
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From what i was told by lake Erie charter captains, Zebra mussels are cleaning the water too well doing what Walleyed is saying. They clean the plankton and algae which is needed in the food chain.
Udder than that, i know nothing about them except what they look like.
(we also started catching Gobees (spelling?) last couple times i was there.) they claimed they ate fish eggs and we killed every one we caught. They also extremely annoying for anglers. You can't even touch the bottom with a lure without bringing up a half dozen or so of the things.
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Re: Muskrats vs zebra mussels
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walleyed, you have any links to studies on the things you mentioned? I can probably pull some up, but curious if you had any that you found more valuable than others.
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