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Here is the news conference from this morning from our Governor. Skip the first 26:30 minutes. Listen to the proposals he is asking our General Assembly to pass. Red flag law and deeper back round checks. Glad they are doing more on mental health but, doesn't seem like to me, imo, they are going after what is causing the problems. What are your thoughts?
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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#6589164 08/06/1911:31 AM08/06/1911:31 AM
Red flag laws are VERY bad idea and will get people killed. Not only retribution killings when a neighbor calls the sheriff saying he is afraid, (even though he is really mad because the guy next door put a dead cat in the garbage can and it stinks), but also because law enforcement will have to use their assault team to do the seizure and killing is going to be the result sometimes.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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#6589173 08/06/1911:39 AM08/06/1911:39 AM
Of course we HAVE to do something,anything. typical knee jerk reaction to a bad situation. This allows the state ,then feds and local police to seize and most likey never receive them gun back, then again how about a family member living with a total gun family. Now we will have a complete take away and again never see them. Once the police takes em there never gonna return them with court action after court action. Maybe make a legal decree that mass shooters get 6 months to show just cause,,,then make a statement and kill them. fryem, shootem, inject them. Maybe they should also remove All the violent gaming systems like fortnight, commando so violence isn't in there young minds to begin with.
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#6589192 08/06/1912:22 PM08/06/1912:22 PM
I just watched some fer gov. Named Whaley. Her comments to the press went like this..............
Yes, we should look at mental health but we really need to look at guns. Yes, Trump said some good things but we/he needs to do something about the guns. People don't need guns like this. Guns Guns Guns
Yep, she was a democrat.
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#6589235 08/06/1902:12 PM08/06/1902:12 PM
Truth is they want all the evil that causes and creates mass and serial killers. Things like removing God and the church from public life, destruction of the family through welfare and free sex of all perversions. Desensitization to death and consequence through infanticide up to the moment and after birth. Then when the end result of their evil occurs they seek only tO plunge even deeper into madness.
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#6589252 08/06/1902:52 PM08/06/1902:52 PM
Truth is they want all the evil that causes and creates mass and serial killers. Things like removing God and the church from public life, destruction of the family through welfare and free sex of all perversions. Desensitization to death and consequence through infanticide up to the moment and after birth. Then when the end result of their evil occurs they seek only tO plunge even deeper into madness.
WELL SAID ^^^^
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#6589292 08/06/1905:02 PM08/06/1905:02 PM
not sure how Ohio handles 72 hour mental health hold . but in WIs if you can't find something to hold them on for 72 hours , you got NOTHING worth red flagging.
and by doing a 72 hour hold your addressing the actual mental health issue and not just trying to remove the guns.
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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#6589296 08/06/1905:10 PM08/06/1905:10 PM
All politicians are wolves in sheep's clothing and the biggest liars. I don't trust Trump , Pence , or none of them as far as I can spit!!! There is only one man that never lied and that was Jesus Christ and he said , don't follow man.
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#6589319 08/06/1905:51 PM08/06/1905:51 PM
Red flag laws would/could strongly discriminate against military veterans. Especially those that have went through combat. If I were king and I wanted to confiscate arms, first I would want to confiscate the arms of trained professionals(veterans) through laws targeting mental illness, for their own good of course. I would feel much better with them out of the picture in my confiscation scheme. Would rather just have to deal with a good ol' boy and his deer rifle as I go door to door confiscating firearms.
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#6589497 08/06/1909:40 PM08/06/1909:40 PM
It's already here in ohio. Guy I know got into a heated argument with a guy. They have been arguing for 20 years. He called the sheriff and said he was afraid he was going to hurt him and his wife didnt feel safe to go outside. Sheriff was at his door with a order from the judge. You can either bring them out or we will come in and get them. He handed them over and now its up to him to prove his innocence. He never said a word about hurting him with a firearm.
“If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.” — Thomas Paine
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#6589500 08/06/1909:42 PM08/06/1909:42 PM
I have the right to protect myself and family, IF I get red-flagged I have lost that protection. Who is going to be held responsible if something happen, the police, they are just following the law and they get there most of the time after the fact. JMO
To Old U.S. Army 60-63 SGT.
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#6589509 08/06/1909:59 PM08/06/1909:59 PM
It's already here in ohio. Guy I know got into a heated argument with a guy. They have been arguing for 20 years. He called the sheriff and said he was afraid he was going to hurt him and his wife didnt feel safe to go outside. Sheriff was at his door with a order from the judge. You can either bring them out or we will come in and get them. He handed them over and now its up to him to prove his innocence. He never said a word about hurting him with a firearm.
Wow, these are the things that are gonna start happening even if the language of the law (if passes the General Assembly) is written well. I know I sure wouldn't want a 9th circuit Judge deciding my case. With their turn over rate it's clear they aren't Constitutional minded lol.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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#6589524 08/06/1910:28 PM08/06/1910:28 PM
Indiana has a red flag law, and every time I’ve seen it used I was glad law enforcement had that tool. And in each case the person got the guns back. I guess I’m not seeing the big problem, at least the way it used here, which is reasonably and only in cases where someone was claiming that they wanted to kill themselves or someone else. I don’t know about you guys, but if someone says to me “I’m going to kill you as soon as I have a chance...”, I don’t want them to have a gun until they calm down. And if red flag laws can actually reduce the problem, it is a worthwhile “give”, if it is a give, (again we have one and I’ve never seen it used when it should not have been), because the other types of gun control are far more relevant to us law abiding citizens than red flag laws. Don’t threaten to go crazy and kill people, don’t openly act like you are a violent criminal or about to be one, and it means NOTHING to you. I have a suppressor, and many firearms, carry a pistol on my side every waking hour, and I like Indiana’s red flag law. Go ahead, tear into me, but if one of you guys calls me a liberal or anti-gun, do it to my face or I will call you a coward.
Indiana has a red flag law, and every time I’ve seen it used I was glad law enforcement had that tool. And in each case the person got the guns back. I guess I’m not seeing the big problem, at least the way it used here, which is reasonably and only in cases where someone was claiming that they wanted to kill themselves or someone else. I don’t know about you guys, but if someone says to me “I’m going to kill you as soon as I have a chance...”, I don’t want them to have a gun until they calm down. And if red flag laws can actually reduce the problem, it is a worthwhile “give”, if it is a give, (again we have one and I’ve never seen it used when it should not have been), because the other types of gun control are far more relevant to us law abiding citizens than red flag laws. Don’t threaten to go crazy and kill people, don’t openly act like you are a violent criminal or about to be one, and it means NOTHING to you. I have a suppressor, and many firearms, carry a pistol on my side every waking hour, and I like Indiana’s red flag law. Go ahead, tear into me, but if one of you guys calls me a liberal or anti-gun, do it to my face or I will call you a coward.
You can give up your freedom a little bit at a time, that's your choice. Me,they will never take my freedom or my guns. MY COLD DEAD HANDS