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Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: rick2527] #6590396
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Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: Law Dog] #6590407
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yes. question is: how much power do they currently have?

Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: rick2527] #6590411
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So James -- what is your stance on the constitution and the amendments? Are they just another legal document to be manipulated by lawyers such as yourself? Or did the founding fathers know what they were doing protecting us from the unscrupulous political mchine that has developed?

Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: James] #6590420
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Originally Posted by James
There is no well-regulated militia in the US, but that doesn't mean we don't have a right to form one if necessary.

Me, I'm not willing to risk certain death to keep my semi-autos. Sorry, but I've lived in a world where "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines were banned, and the world didn't collapse.

My attitude would be different about my single-shot rifles because then we'd be fighting over whether we have any right to keep and bear firearms at all.

Jim


That does not surprise me at all.....


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Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: rick2527] #6590423
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I read that Trump said an assault weapon ban was not going to happen with him as POTUS.


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Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: white17] #6590434
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Originally Posted by white17
SOTUS has already ruled on that in Heller. It IS lawful to possess ... and that decision was made by a lawfully constituted government.


The Heller decision was based on handguns, and one or two of the circuit courts have already ruled that "assault weapons" can be banned, if I recall right. If the issue ever reaches the SC, I'd bet on the current court to say the ban is unconstitutional. But what if I'm wrong?

The SC makes Constitutional law. It's make-up will change over time.

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Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: rick2527] #6590438
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Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: rick2527] #6590441
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Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: rick2527] #6590442
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Jim you should know that the Supreme Court doesn't make constitutional law. Congress does. It's their job.

However they are calling to repeal the second amendment. Everybody should know that means all guns. All guns because you know taking assault rifles won't stop killing.

We have our course laid out before us. Vote out all democrats and let them know why they were voted out.

Garryowen

Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: Garryowen] #6590489
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Originally Posted by Garryowen
Jim you should know that the Supreme Court doesn't make constitutional law. Congress does. It's their job.

However they are calling to repeal the second amendment. Everybody should know that means all guns. All guns because you know taking assault rifles won't stop killing.

We have our course laid out before us. Vote out all democrats and let them know why they were voted out.

Garryowen

I agree you should vote out all democrats but the only problem is republicans are tripping over each other trying to pass red flag and background check laws. Every time an event like this occurs someone gets a little less free,often times supported by republican politicians. Just ask the young adults in Florida who have not reached the age of 21.
Hope at some point the political climate will settle enough that we conservatives don't have to vote for the lesser of two evils and can create a party which actually promotes and defends conservative thought and ideas.

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Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: James] #6590503
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Originally Posted by James
Politically resist, certainly, to our dying (figuratively) breath.

Jim


By voting for any democrat with a pulse? (your words).


Eh...wot?

Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: James] #6590505
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Originally Posted by James
Me, I'm not willing to risk certain death to keep my semi-autos. Sorry, but I've lived in a world where "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines were banned, and the world didn't collapse.

Jim


I don't think anyone who has read any of your posts will be surprised by this statement. Unfortunately, roughly half the citizens of our Country are also more than willing to trade their freedoms for the illusion of safety.


Eh...wot?

Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: H2ORat] #6590525
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Originally Posted by H2ORat
So James -- what is your stance on the constitution and the amendments? Are they just another legal document to be manipulated by lawyers such as yourself? Or did the founding fathers know what they were doing protecting us from the unscrupulous political mchine that has developed?


The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land. Congress doesn't have power to amend or repeal any part of the Constitution by itself.

But the Court makes Constitutional law every day as it interprets and applies the Constitution to a given set of facts. And when the SC declines review of a lower court case, guess who makes the law then? The Circuit Courts of Appeals make Constitutional law every day too. When the SC chooses not to intervene, the Circuit court's decision is the final decision.

Well, guess what? In the ten years since the Heller case, the 4th, 7th, and DC Circuit Courts have held that it IS constitutional for a state to ban assault weapons. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ssault-weapons-four-courts-have-said-no/ So in some parts of the country, speaking today, assault weapons can and are being banned.

Each petition for review to the SC from these decisions has been declined. So far, the SC doesn't want to look at the issue. That may change with the change of the SC's make up.

That is why I say that if a legally elected government comes to collect my semi-auto "assault weapon," I will turn it over without resistance and trust the Court to sort it ought it out and get me my gun back.

If not, I'll accept the ruling that assault weapons may be Constitutionally banned.

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Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: rick2527] #6590528
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I don’t mean to be a buzz kill but James is right.

When it comes down to it the military, our military is the elite fighting force in training and resources. When it hits the fan, who dies will be more important than how many. If you don’t know how to kill someone up close and personal with a “weapon” already on location, you are behind in your training.


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Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: rick2527] #6590582
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Let me brighten things up a bit.

Betty Koed, our current Senate historian, estimates that Congress has proposed around 11,699 amendment changes since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. So how many Amendments have we repealed in all those years and with all those proposals?

One

Scott Bomboy, Editor in Chief of the National Constitution Center, says the following about the likelihood of the 2nd Amendment being repealed:
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"In simple odds, the chance of any constitutional amendment being repealed would be roughly the same as a person living to 80 years old being struck by lightning during their lifetime, according to National Weather Service data. And for the Second Amendment, which was rooted in the English Declaration of Rights a century before the Bill of Rights was ratified, the odds would likely be steeper."


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Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: rick2527] #6590699
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While the first ten amendments to the US constitution are considered the Bill of Rights and are therefore protected (or at least supposed to be) by the rest of the legal processes, the underlying conceptual structure is that those rights are not man-granted or government-granted. They are a part of the "endowment by creator" grants. They exist as a right of your humanity and therefore are to be protected (they are not established by law). Your forefathers, the writers of the constitution, and the freed patriots understood this concept hence wording in other documents declaring that "we hold these truths to be self-evident." Having lived in a tyrannical society they knew what governments would do given the chance. You were born with rights, privileges, and obligations. Understand which is what. I have a right to defend me and mine and that right is not granted to me by any power but God. It is governments legislative job to protect that right from any enemy who would seek to take that right from me and not to assist in its demise, either by direct law or legislative or judicial edict that in effect destroys the ability of someone to willfully, sensibly, and capably defend themselves, their family, and their possessions. If you do not believe in a "designed creation" but instead only a result of a cosmic accident, then endowment becomes harder to defend and the understanding of who and what you are becomes subject to the current political, moral, and rationale movements and climate.
Any elementary student who has not been indoctrinated by liberal ideology could break down the 2nd amendment very easily with the core phrase being "the right of the people." The amendment was not establishing the right to bear arms, but stating that right already existed and should not be infringed upon.

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Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: rick2527] #6590708
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Here's what you'll end up with. If people want to kill, they will kill with or without guns.
Fox had a short coverage of this and i'm guess the others had little to none also.

Now why are they not covering this all day like they did the last three shootings???????????????????????????

https://www.yahoo.com/news/4-dead-2-wounded-southern-034639243.html

Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: rick2527] #6590729
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Hollywood Film Depicts Trump Supporters Being Hunted for Sport by Liberals this is supposed to be satire. I really don't think so. This is the very reason they want gun control and the very reason I'm not going to just hand them over.

Garryowen

Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: rick2527] #6590733
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Are we governed or ruled? Is there a difference?

Re: Repealing 2nd amendment [Re: rick2527] #6590749
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With all of the weapons out there how would they be rounded up effectively? What difference would any kind of background checks of made in El Paso?

With 300 million people in the US and the mental health issues and free range participation trophy people out there it just takes a fraction of 1% to hurt our cause just how do you control that?

I can name 5 guys in my town of 2500 people that have the potential to shoot up people and places and there is nothing I can do about it. How many of us know folks that killed themselves and we did not have a clue they would do it that's the same with shooters in many cases.


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