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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6591944
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were some ranchers in N.D. still using 1080 in the late 90's.


Buck they don't get checked for weeks. They are lethal. They are all on private property now. Or at least they are supposed to be. Just like snares, they don't all get picked back up either.


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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6591971
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Would not want to get caught using it that's for sure!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6592022
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Cyanide is a much more humane death than strychnine.
Strychnine is banned in most places because of the prolonged painful death and its insidiousness to other animals after the fact.

Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6592034
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Maybe some should be set where there are WOLF problems!


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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6592046
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That poison garbage was outlawed here on may 10th 1849 for killing wolves.Too many other valuable furbearers were destroyed along with the wolves,
marten and foxes being the ones mentioned in the statute.

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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6592056
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1080 wasn't around in 1849. Its also k9 specific. Unlike cyanide though its not quick. Im not a fan of tax dollar control programs but those cyanide guns have to be pulled to discharge. coyote doesn't get more than 10 feet 99% of the time. 1080 is slow and ugly


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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6592057
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The statute specified "strychnine and all other poisons".
No poisoning of wild furbearers/predators here since 1849.

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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6592065
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FYI some animals it has less of a affect on like large animal that the body mass that it greater then the small amount of cyanide that the M44 puts out. The M44 can keep working for weeks and will lump up after long periods of time. A shoulder blade bone is often placed over the gitter to protect it from the weather longer then it not being covered.

The capsule is about the thickness of a pinky finger as long as the nail and has a relatively small amount of powder as most of it is plastic. The spring is stout a setting tool is needed, no powder on the new M44s the early ones used a .38 brass with a primer to shoot the powder. Like said the powder hits the saliva and becomes a gas that is the "danger time" breathing is not recommended! When pulled they are pointed away from the user and shot in a safe direction.

Don't know of any humans that ever died from M44. Accidents have happened if I remember right they carry amyl nitrate in case of a accident to counter the poison.


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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6592084
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Home work would do a lot of good for some of you. Experience is better than most opinions. This is sounding like politicians of today. Talk to people who have used them to get the information to build your own knowledge. Very effective tool, they are not a bomb, there is very little noise to them. (Spring Loaded) as has been said)

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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6592088
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6592114
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I wish somebody would post just what each coyote aphis kills costs taxpayers. I found where some hogs were more than 10 grand each and some wolves were almost 5 grand each.


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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6593801
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6593922
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Originally Posted by nyhuntfish

Yes, and again, this came about from a lawsuit filed in January of this year by the Center for Biological Diversity. The "agreement" they reached goes further than just banning M-44s -- see the snippet of the full "agreement" below.

The larger issue here is not whether you agree with the control methods of APHIS but with the organizations behind these court decisions, which are spreading like crazy. Does this have an immediate and direct impact on trappers in Wyoming or elsewhere? No! But these decisions and actions will have an effect when such litigation reaches our doorstep if not before. We're all part of the broader food chain here....

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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6593939
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they are still used on private property, they have been in continuous use since they were invented.

so whats the cost per coyote killed by the feds? how about hogs and beaver?


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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: danny clifton] #6594291
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
they are still used on private property, they have been in continuous use since they were invented.

so whats the cost per coyote killed by the feds? how about hogs and beaver?

The only pertinent question is how much private sector money was saved by the actions of the feds (APHIS)?
They don't indiscriminately start killing coyotes and beavers. Damage to livestock or damage caused by beavers (DOT) is assessed, a monetary agreement is created and signed by the livestock owner, livestock association or DOT, and the work gets done. If it doesn't make financial sense to the livestock producers, or DOTs, they would stop signing up for it.
Could private trappers do this kind of work? Sure, but the logistics are not there. You need a widespread organized effort of many people to cover the vast areas of coverage for these types of issues. Private trappers don't have that. If they did, the livestock producers, and Departments of Transportation would have them do it all.

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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide? [Re: nyhuntfish] #6594325
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your funny


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