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Re: Question for Fur Buyers [Re: M.S. Pickins] #6591911
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Sure makes it easy to buy when you have an order to fill, as Margins become clearer risk is less.

Re: Question for Fur Buyers [Re: M.S. Pickins] #6591913
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Asking where a buyer sells they're fur is akin to asking someone how much money do you make in a year. Most buyers don't "find" a market they spend a great deal of time and energy "developing" a market for what they buy. As you can imagine, anyone is a bit protective of the work they have put into this, however, the biggest buyers are very open about it. Go to China, Greece, Russia or where they sell yourself and market what you catch, of course I'm being facetious! I believe Nancy is referencing how easy it is to buy exactly what you want/need at the Canadian auctions cheaply compared to dealing with a trapper that wants to sell all sizes, quality's, and species together at one time, and wants to "dicker" at the same time, not easy to take that on today.

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Re: Question for Fur Buyers [Re: nimzy] #6591972
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Originally Posted by nimzy
If you want answers ask a trapper. They are expected to turn over trade secrets. Fur buyers haven’t yet evolved.


Since most buyers are crooks, they operate under the rules of omerta.


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Re: Question for Fur Buyers [Re: M.S. Pickins] #6591998
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Just like a dope dealer,gotta protect our connections.


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Re: Question for Fur Buyers [Re: M.S. Pickins] #6592009
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A few years ago I was up at the furbuyers dropping off marten for the Auction. The buyer who is a trapper of some sort spent considerable time trying to convince me to trap and sell him beaver. He was offering twice the current pitiful Auction rates which was well below production cost. I knew what he sold them for tanned, same as me. I kept wondering why he didn't trap his own beaver? Because he could buy them cheaper from the hobby trappers than trapping them himself.


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Re: Question for Fur Buyers [Re: M.S. Pickins] #6592012
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If it wasn't illegal here for a trapper to buy commercially at auction I would be buying LM,and LG size prime beaver right now for making bed covers and throws for sale.
Even med and small beavers which are easy to tan make readily sellable baby blankets at a great profit.
Plus not much skill involved in sewing a blanket.Very straightforward.

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Re: Question for Fur Buyers [Re: M.S. Pickins] #6592013
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So you can't go to NAFA or FHA and buy goods? That seems a bit unfair. I always thought buyers were buyers at an auction, who cares what they do the rest of the time.

Hire a broker to bid on the goods for you. You can attend the auction and inspect the goods yourself. Then give your bid number to the broker. His fee should be low because he doesn't have to do any of the work.


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Re: Question for Fur Buyers [Re: M.S. Pickins] #6592019
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Illegal in Ontario to hold two of the 3 fur licences.(No problem buying tanned good for commercial resale,just not raw fur.raw fur can be bought under a restricted buyers licence for personal use)
Commercial trapper,Commercial buyer,or commercial tanner.
They allow special circumstances if you run your businesses out of two different locations,and keep all furs separate.
The reason being that a trapper is allowed to have unrecorded pelts on his premesis,whereas a fur dealer is not.It would allow high grading of fur to have the two separate buisnesses operating out of the one address.

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Re: Question for Fur Buyers [Re: M.S. Pickins] #6592023
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Very interesting.

But do you need a buyers license to buy at NAFA? I don't need a license. Is that because I don't live in Ontario?

The only license I need is a US import/export license to get the goods into the US.


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Re: Question for Fur Buyers [Re: M.S. Pickins] #6592026
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In Ontario,yes you need a licence to buy fur.
The cost is miniscule for the commercial licence and free for the restricted licence.They are available on line I believe.
Wildlife is well regulated here to prevent abuse of the resource.Every square inch of crown land is someones trapline here.

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Re: Question for Fur Buyers [Re: M.S. Pickins] #6592036
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If I lived in near an Auction,I would just buy pelts to sell.
It would be cheaper than trapping them.


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Re: Question for Fur Buyers [Re: trapperne] #6592121
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Originally Posted by trapperne
I sell direct to the Chinese, We Hung Lo and Ho Le Fook

Something fishy here. Those are both Japanese names and you claim to sell direct to the Chinese? confused


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Re: Question for Fur Buyers [Re: M.S. Pickins] #6592185
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Im Lai Ing Lo next year because theres no Cha Ching in it.

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