You're making fun of coon? Worse marten market in the last 30 years. Coon doing better than otter, beaver,mink, red fox, ermine. Those all can be added to your soften pile.

I'm not sure the pile is big enough, so we'll add grey fox,lynx, and fisher to the crap pile.

No,Walleyes, stating facts that happen to crank people is just stating facts.Calling people names that don't apply might be.Not really sure what "troll" is.its a word that doesn't really make sense in the way you use it.
My weasel harvest over 40 odd years varies between approximately 30 to 120 in any season depending on effort related to the abundance of the resource in any one year.Not all are taken in the belisle 120,I use other magnum 120's and years ago,the older weaker 120's.I started switching over to the magnum 120's around 1990.
Having the luxury of extended checks means allowing the time necessary for your traps to work without excessive human disturbance thus checking way less empty traps.It also allows time for running more lines,and handling fur,not necessarily watching Fox TV although that is an option.

Sounds like only good species around here for trapping this fall for any $$, larger coon, coyotes, most don't get lot coyotes. Lots coon around, bob cat prices are good, but not that good in Iowa, an restricted trapping them, can't here, rats didn't sell good at last sale, the price is down from.a year ago, I am thinking that rats may only bring$3.50 average upcoming.

That's the whole raw fur market today.

I catch weasels all the time in my bodygrips. No way they are meeting your 80% killing standards. Not in a marten set anyway. Since I was marten trapping, I guess it doesn't count.

I hope no one is considering using this week's NAFA auction as a barometer of the fur market for the coming season. There's mostly very stale, and wild fur that has been pretty well picked over prior to this, not that I'm particularly optimistic about prices for next season........ This post is also primarily for the benefit of the relative newby's on here, I know a lot of the veterans understand what's going on.

Again,they passed,And they cannot be passed unless they meet or exceed the threshold.So you can ask Gibb if they falsified any recorded data,he is on the trdc.
Personally I have never seen any evidence of a weasel living more than a few seconds in a full closure magnum trap regardless of an optimum strike.
Not so with the older weaker poorly made non magnum traps with the large gap between the jaws.

Boco, You do it so smoothly! You notice non-magnum traps also passed with those pesky gaps.

That was my point. I'm sure a magnum double spring bodygrip of that size kills a weasel just fine but why do I need to buy a considerably more expensive trap and a bit more hard to set than using a mrat 110 trap? I've killed plenty of mink with 110s so I'm sure they would sandwich a weasel just fine. Its all about the "keepers" (the gov overloads in Canada land) perception of what is acceptable. I suppose one advantage is that guys like Boco can use a single trap (the 120 mag) to capture everything from marten on down the size list. I certainly don't need that power on mrats, mink, and weasels here...

I didn't say that the non magnums didn't meet the pass threshold,I just said the magnums look to me.as a trapper.to kill them outright.
The traptesting does not give separate time to Irreversible unconsciousness for each trap,just whether they meet the threshold or not.
For a small animal like a weasel,the deciding factor is most likely striking force,as opposed to the measurements of clamping force,which is more critical,I assume, in a larger animal like a marten.
Like I said,Gibb is the expert if you want to understand the aihts traptesting.

In a case like that I think the ability to kill outright by the stronger springs is negated by some weasels not being able to trigger it as easily with such a heavy tension from the stronger springs (avoidance).

Look the BMP"S only tested and recommend rat traps and footholds used as body grippers for weasels as approved killing traps . Put all the springs and zero closure 120's you want out there and most weasels get belly caught and does not kill a weasel just fine. That is my point. No way these traps pass any real standards. Heck I use one of the approved traps. They won't work because the trap is too big to get consistent proper strikes. Use a 330 on coon and it won't work as good as 160 or 220.

Gibb told me this is how it passed.

"Advancements in computer technologies and the accumulation of scientific data through live-animal trap tests conducted at the Vegreville facility has made it possible to develop and use Computer Simulation Models (CSM). The Institute, in partnership with the Alberta Innovates Technology Futures, now uses computer programs that replicate the interaction of a specific species with a computer-drawn trap. By loading all of the data acquired in past research into a specially designed program, CSM enables researchers to “test” a computer-generated trap on a computer-generated animal, which minimizes the number of live animals required for the research. These models are now being used to rate trapping devices. Now nearly 90% of all trap testing at the facility is done using computer simulations. Development of computer simulation models for remaining species is ongoing."

Sounds like they're trying traps out such as supposedly the gov questioned Sully in landing his crippled airliner in the Hudson River...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1fVL4AQEW8

Sure nice to see two of my all time TMAN faves getting along so well. I got off TMAN because Walleyed and Bozo told you all you need to know.

Well, lookie what the cat dragged out of the grain bins !!

Well we're still holding the fort,so its safe to leave again.

As far as I can tell, It has been back and forth all day long.

..........you were gone?

The adversary of my adversary is my friend !!

Tell It, BOCO !!!

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