President Trump: We Won’t Sacrifice Gun Rights to ‘Slippery Slope’

President Trump suggested Democrats have given up any defense of the Second Amendment and pledged that he will not allow Americans’ gun rights to be swept away on the “slippery slope” of gun control.
Trump made the comments while speaking to reporters in the Oval Office on Tuesday.
He said, “We have very, very strong background checks right now. But we have, sort of, missing areas and areas that don’t complete the whole circle. And we’re looking at different things.”
He added, “And I have to tell you that it is a mental problem. And I’ve said it a hundred times: It’s not the gun that pulls the trigger; it’s the person that pulls the trigger. These are sick people, and it is also that kind of a problem.”
Trump was then asked point blank if he wanted to see Senate passage of gun control bills passed in the Democrat-controlled House. He responded:
Well, I’m not going to get into that. But we are in very meaningful discussions with the Democrats. And I think the Republicans are very unified. We are very strong on our Second Amendment. The Democrats are not strong at all on the Second Amendment. I would say they’re weak on the Second Amendment, and we have to be careful of that.
He observed:
The Democrats would, I believe — I think they’d give up the Second Amendment. And the people that — a lot of the people that put me where I am are strong believers in the Second Amendment — and I am, also. And we have to be very careful about that. You know, they call it the “slippery slope,” and all of the sudden, everything gets taken away. We’re not going to let that happen.
Breitbart News reported that Trump used weekend comments to shift away from background checks.
Politico reported that Trump was asked about the background check gun control push and he said, “I’m not saying anything. I’m saying Congress is going to be reporting back to me with ideas. And they’ll come in from Democrats and Republicans. And I’ll look at it very strongly. But just remember, we already have a lot of background checks.”

Source: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ont-sacrifice-gun-rights-slippery-slope/

Libtards are gonna cry a river when Trump wins a second term.......

I hope you are right (about Trump winning).

As long as the economy doesn't implode before the next election he might win again.

I hope he means it. It seems he says whatever the last person he talked to wants him to say.

Truth be told, he has gone back and forth on this issue. I think someone made him realize he has no chance of reelection if he comes hard on the 2nd. I seen today where he spoke with ole Wayne at the NRA too. Time will tell I guess.

JMO, but this is where his lack of foundational conservatism is showing. His heart says one thing but his constitutional principled advisors are engaging his brain.

It has to be a hard row to hoe, being the President and Commander in Chief.
In this situation it is kind of dammed if ya do and dammed if ya don't.
I can only hope he don't and still gets re-elected.
Can you folks imagine where we would be if Hildebeast was our president?

Zim

It's what the Left was hoping for they will beat this dead horse until the election with their spin added to it!

Read today, Democrats are going to forward legislation about high capacity mags. And probably depending on those results, will later forward a bill concerning assault weapons ban. Sometime in Sept for both bills.

The body count would be much higher just from defense.

If the polls show being pro gun might cost him his reelection, he'll whistle a different tune.

and we all know we should willingly give up our God-given Rights because the polls say so...

take a "hate speech" poll on any college campus and say goodbye to your First Amendment Rights.

(that's okay, though...it'll make you FEEL better)

Why would you claim it would make me feel better, white? The point of my post is that politicians, including trump, will change their position to suit the direction the political winds blow.
And, the "fake news" claim constantly being thrown around because a politician doesn't like a story are a threat to our 1st amend rights.

There isn’t one political poll out there worth the paper it’s written on and he knows it.

Trump is going to cave more on the 2A to some degree in his first term. If he wins a second term, he will side with the Democrats and we are toast. Think about it--he will no longer need his base. He will be playing to the national polls even more. He has to be adored and that's how, in his mind, he'll do it.

Listen to the man's words and not just the last ones spoken. He has zero conviction on the 2A or anything else.

I've been called a "Libtard" countless times here. Trust me, I'm not. I just see this guy for what he is.

I can tell by the posts on this page. Some of the most ardent Trump supporters are starting to feel it.

I don't think he will be reelected JMO

The haters are crawling out of the woodwork!

lug, is there anything he could do that would make you not vote for him?

I think many of his votes last time came from voters who would have voted for anyone running against hillary clinton. I see no democrat currently that I want to vote for, but I doubt that I will vote trump again this time. I hate to think of what his kids will do to the country if they know they don't have to worry about retaining votes for reelection.

Many of my friends who are also lifelong republicans would love to see a challenger from our party. A sane republican would be a much better choice than simply writing in some joke because we don't like anyone on the ballot.
Soon the only supports trump will have are the most zealot of his base. And, we must remember, many more Americans voted for his opponent last time. We may see more dems and fewer republicans voting this time than last, and if the number of republican staying home goes up, trump is doomed.

He may not be perfect, but he is trying to do positive change for your country,imo. He presents a radical change to the "governing system". It appears there are some that can't acknowledge this change and his efforts because of their personal dislike of the man.

Boy ain't that the truth. I've been watching grackle and some of these others for three years now spewing their hatred for him, and no matter what he did or does, they are gonna shoot off their mouth. He ain't no saint, byt you better not look in your own closet, unless you are a saint. If you had a kahuna one, you could see the good he has accomplished for this country, and what it would be like if the beast had won. Get a life!

I don't hate the guy. If his ego and greed didn't get in his way, he could be a very good president. He has done some good things, He kept the Obama recovery going, I don't think hillary would have done that. It's one of the reasons I voted for trump.
I thought he would do something about our debt. he made it worse. I thought he would choose good people to work around him. He got rid of, or caused the good ones to quit. He tries to bully the fed into firing the interest bullets that will be needed if things really start slowing. And I believe the tax rates were cut a little too much for the same reason.

One thing I have noticed is that saying anything negative about trump is what brings out the hatred from his most devout supporters. It's the same when anyone admits that Obama brought us out of the bush/dick economic disaster.
Nobody is all bad, nor all good. Many refuse to see that.

I thought this was about the 2nd?

I like Trump but I always say he is like Uncle Ted, say what you need to and stop talking would be better. LOL Can't get behind Obummer as the truth was so rare and the running down of the Nation was way to common. Just look at what went away when he did the blocking of roads, BLM, bushwhacking of the Police every week in fact I can't name 8 things he did in those 8 years really that helped this Nation.

You're right, catch22. The 2nd is one of the reasons he is better than hillary would have been. But, if supporting the amendment looks like it will cost too many votes, I think he will fold like most any other politician.

I may be wrong but I don't think that will be the issue. I think if he doesn't support the 2nd, he won't get reelected. When Congress comes back ole Turtle Mitch will hold off most everything but give the Dems a crumb of feel good gun control of sorts and it will be, moving right along.

The republicans should be making more of the fact that the laws we have are not being enforced when they are broken. Most voters would see that existing laws are impossible to evaluate for effectiveness the way things are now.

Yes grackle, there are probably lots of things Trump could do to lose my vote. You seem to be convinced that all Trump supporters are an uneducated rednecks wrapping themselves in American flags and screaming MAGA at everyone. And that they would support their Messiah no matter what he did.

It is a typical liberal/pseudo intellectual point of view and utterly false. Obama has the same viewpoint and it showed in his 2008 comments about working-class folks when he said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." H. Clinton also shares your viewpoint and it showed in 2016 when she said, "You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic – Islamophobic – you name it."

Well, you are all wrong about us. I understand the large amount of positive things Trump has done for this Country. Things no other President had the balls to even contemplate. But Trump just went right ahead and did them. His presidency so far has been a great success. Far too many accomplishments to list them all here but to mention just a few; he has appointed over eighty federal judges including two supreme court justices. He has cut aid to many undeserving countries. He is dismantling government bureaucracy redundancy. He is opening more and more federal land to the public. He is fighting to level the playing field and eliminate the completely unfair trade practices set up by previous presidents and congresses. He is fighting to stem the flow of illegal aliens into this country.He is bringing our soldiers home from a war we probably should have never been in. That just scratches the surface! And he has done/is doing all that with most of the Country trying to take him down! The vast majority of Americans don't seem to grasp the amount of good this President has done and is doing for this Country. That mostly due to the unrelenting, rabid smear campaign that was launched against him in 2016 by the left and their propaganda machine the national media. And it continues without let up.

Do I like his brash style and manner of speaking? No, I do not. But how petty and vindictive would a person have to be to not support a President this good for something that trivial?

There are things that I am disappointed about. His lack of action on national reciprocity is a big one. His wavering on 2A is another.

If he caves completely on 2A I'll have to weigh my decision on who to vote for. But at this point, with the entire field of Democratic presidential candidates trying to out anti-2A each other, I sure don't see any of them as a viable option. And I won't throw my vote away on a third party candidate. And I won't sit home on election day...

So maybe you are right after all...

Very well said Lug, spot on!

I think I’ve seen more defeatist attitudes here on TMan regarding the 2nd Amendment than anywhere else. We’re overreacting, and much of that is due to the fake news cycle. Why we take that source as a barometer of anything these days is beyond me.

1. All the usual metrics favor Trump for 2020 by a large margin.
2. The Democrats’ leading candidate is fumbling the basics in campaign performance almost daily.
3. Trump is filling sports stadiums and turning away thousands at his rallies because of capacity issues.
4. The Democrats are filling auditoriums if they’re lucky.
5. None of the Democratic candidates are generating excitement within their own party, let alone outside of it.
6. Best of all, trust in the propaganda machine for the Democratic Party (MSM) is at its lowest.

So when the Democrats and their media compatriots receive a huge political gift of two mass shootings in a row, we freak out because we’re not used to seeing the Democrats win. The Left has been battered so badly since Trump took office that their political win in this case – as morbid as it is – magnifies itself by contrast.

So back to fake news.... The graph below shows the results of a poll taken in early 2019, i.e., pre-Mueller Report and the collapse of Russiagate.


gryhkl, is there anything Trump could do that would make you vote for him? You don't have to answer. -- I'll just assume your silly question to Lug was not meant to be taken seriously.

You shouldn't try putting words in anyone's mouth, lug.
I think there are some trumpsters who are just as you describe. Their votes will never be in jeopardy. Just as the most zealot of the dems will never vote against any dem, no matter how far left their socialist positions.

I think he has done the country a huge disservice by labeling anything he doesn't like being reported as "fake news". I think he is a threat to the first amendment. And his friendliness with one news outlet, and some of it's talking heads, is as bad for the country as the constant attacks he endures from the like of msnbc and cnn.

I see some of his negatives you mention as being a bit more concerning than you do, and, while they may not cause me to vote for any of the dems now running, they are enough for me to wish for a much better true republican to challenge him.

So let me get this right. If President Trump loosens up on the 2nd. amendment, which would still be far better then anything the Dems are proposing, some of you would vote for the Green new deal, reparations, trillion dollar health care, higher taxes and socialism? Still seems like a no contest to me.

mainer, you're right that no dem has much in the way of ground-swell support. About the only thing they have going for them is the dislike so many have for trump. If more voters went for hillary than trump last time, any other dem will get even more votes. I know very few people who actually liked hillary. She caused lots of folks to stay home of vote for the other guy.
We republicans need to look for a better candidate, and a pro-2nd should be easy to find.

Most of the things you mention would make it very easy for any other republican to win in 2020.

I think believing President Trump's exposure of "fake news" is a threat to 1A is ridiculous. I'm pretty sure most thinking Americans realized the bullcrap the MSM was spewing long before Trump brought it to the forefront.

I actually think it is a good thing to expose the lies perpetrated on the public by fake news organizations.

Far from being a threat to 1A, it is really what 1A stands for isn't it? And shouldn't the POTUS be able to take advantage of the freedoms provided by 1A the same as the MSM does?

Don't feed the TROLL, there's nothing you or Trump could do to make him say anything good even when it's a positive post about guns.

There is not going to be a Republican challenger to President Trump in 2020. You can just put that dream to bed.

As usual, you are right hippie. Grackle just doesn't seem to get it as the quote below demonstrates.

"There is not going to be a Republican challenger to President Trump in 2020. You can just put that dream to bed".

Hope you're wrong about that, lug. The party needs it.......IMHO, of course!

OH SNAP!

But some refuse to see that the fox does the same thing. And taking ADVANTAGE of the amendment is exactly what these "news" sources do. There is no sense of responsibility when it comes to the info they expose the public to.

We can be glad Trump is in there, as the other Republican candidates he beat out are ready to pass gun laws.

Here's T. Cruz, considered the best for 2a at the time.

https://www.tedcruz.org/news/ted-cr...omestic-terrorism-and-congress-must-act/

You can't listen to the trolls repeating the fake news they see on tv about how bad Trump is. So far he's the best president we could've gotten.

Seems to me that, by Senator Cruz's own admission, we simply need to begin enforcing the laws we currently have instead of passing more laws.

One of the very first pieces of legislation I introduced when elected to the Senate specifically sought to strengthen the background-check system, target felons and fugitives trying to illegally buy guns, and prevent gun violence.

In 2013, after the shooting at Sandy Hook, Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and I introduced the Protecting Communities and Preserving the Second Amendment Act. This bill would improve the National Instant Criminal Background Check System and make it easier to prosecute those who put guns in the hands of criminals. At the time, a bipartisan majority voted for our proposal, but Harry Reid, the retired Democratic senator from Nevada, and other Senate Democrats led a filibuster to ultimately prevent it from becoming law.

I remain committed to working with my colleagues to advance this legislation and any other measure that is both effective and constitutional. We must stop these mass murderers. The people of El Paso — the people of Texas — and all Americans deserve nothing less.

Not a big fan of his but I like what he said here.

Yes, not sure what he meant where he said "improve" the background check system.

Just saying myself, that there is great pressure from all sides on Trump, including what some considered the staunchest supporters of the 2a.
Trump is holding strong this time, and the hated NRA should take some credit for that.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-spoke-nra-ceo-wayne-111431547.html

Earlier i see Trump is going by polls, what about the polls that say 90% want stronger background checks? Guess he's rolling the dice if that's an indicator of doing only what will get him re-elected.

What does your liberals say?

A good Republican challenger to Trump (nobody from 2016) is probably the best thing for our country. We can avoid a loss in 2020 and hopefully keep the few good things he has done intact.

Ignorance is bliss.

Perfect. Thanks Lee.

I see a pattern from Trump on dealing with the gun issue.The man is far smarter than any body gives him credit.And the media,for how smart and elite they think they are,can't seem to see when they are being played like a fiddle.

Trump is very unpredictable and sometimes confuses me on the gun issues. Of course, his unpredictability keeps his enemies always wondering including the liberals.

how so?

did he lobby Congress for or sign any legislation that limits free speech?

you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth:

'Trump will cave on the 2nd because he needs the votes'

'a pro-2nd should be easy to find'


Question grackle...why wouldn't your pro-2nd ALSO need votes??????

it's a [semi] free country...step right up and throw your (or anyone ELSE'S) hat into the ring!!!

Maybe he meant it should be used like it was designed to be used... And the penalties actually enforced.

Wouldn't that be something?

Mike

This in itself would be shocking!

White Marlin, a pro2nd amend candidate would only be a factor for single issue voters. trump has more problems with voters who will not vote for him under any circumstances, even if they don't hate guns nor like his opponent.

Given a choice between a pro gun, reasonable republican candidate, and most of the socialists running on the dem side, I think the republican would win-or at least have a much better chance than trump.---we must remember that hillary got nearly 3 million more votes than trump did last time and his support has gotten worse since then.

Did you hear that on CNN?

If he's "playing" the media isn't it possible that he is "playing" his base? Self promoters play everyone.

and the dems...they don't play the media, OR their base...

If trying to keep all the promises he made that got him elected is considered playing his base,,then let him keep on playin.

I don't know...I voted more AGAINST Hitlery, than FOR Trump last time.

Now? I'd vote for him against any mainstream Republican (if any of them had a big enough "set" to run against him) in the primary.

why? because he HAS a "set".

https://youtu.be/gRTtkbtMISI


Outside sheer voter fraud? Trump has next election wrapped up all ready!

I mean

Them DEM's are running a hate America and everything is racist campaign.

They hate America
They hate trump
And they want everyone to know it
and are doing an outstanding job at making sure everyone knows it.

Unless he caves on the second or the economy crashes, he'll be reelected.
Other things Trump has accomplished that even a staunch conservative like Grackel would support.
1. Allowed states to defund Planned Parenthood of medical funds.
2. Cut Planned Parenthood's tax funding by up to $60 million.
3. Permitted states to defund Planned Parenthood of Title X funds.

{If he's "playing" the media isn't it possible that he is "playing" his base? Self promoters play everyone.}C'mon,to what end?If you want to use that logic go ahead.Everybody's playing everybody else,right?Especially if you don't like Trump.Trump is running for a second term,so he 's going to play his base and pull a fast one,and go for anti 2nd amendment measures?Hows he going to win a second term pulling a fast one like that?I guess the next scenario would be he plays us all like fools and waits until he wins a second term and then spring his secret agenda on us.This sort of thinking has no end,there's always a suspicious motive around the next bend that he'll show his true colors.Hidden agendas,conspiracies ,etc, and it goes on and on.I don't buy it.

Of course they do. My point is don't hold him up on some pedestal of good intentions.

It comes down to I believe in the man! He believes in America, and we haven't had a Pres for a long time that I can feel believed in the good that this country has done for the whole world. He does not take his salary, he said "this country has made me wealthy, and I will give back". Name me a pres that has done that in the past. It irks me to read this nit pickin all the time, and it can always be traced back to two things, either you hated him to start, or you believe the vitrol that msm, msnbc, cbs, abc, nbc all gush at every opportunity! Just to be fair, we need to have four or five more fox stations just to disseminate an equal amount of bull dung to stay even. I'm not fond of some things he does or has done, but if you do not forgive your fellow man, you are no better than the one your criticizing! Like Forest, that is all I'm gonna say about that.

Perfectly said. You're really on point today Lee! Been testing the vineyard?

Well said lee.

Lee you ever consider running for President? You got my vote!

NO AND NO! Thanks Jayme!

Michael, the grapes are ready, I am not! Rained this morning, and have a VA appt tomorrow morning, so I guess pick day is Fri.

What president has accomplished most or all of the things that they promised to do when they ran for election? Trump is the only one I remember.
The things that he has got done in only 3 years are astonishing.
I still believe he will drain the swamp of crooks and scoundrels. It can't be done with a crooked F.B.I, Federal judges, Department of Justice and rogue Intelligence agencies. If you had not noticed, those agencies are being completely cleaned up and the sheep seperated from the goats. Scaramucci model...lol.
This has taken some time. Only when the justice systems are clean can any real prosecutions begin. I am hoping for the rule of law to return.
The Republicans did not want Trump on their ticket. He is not really one of them. He's no Democrat either. Republicans and Democrats have become the uni-party and in my opinion have not represented the American people in many decades.
Trumps standing for the constitution and the rule of law(that would include the 2nd amendment) Is why, in my opinion, he was elected. America first didn't hurt.

me, too!

slogan: "Have you SEEN my knives?"

You get my vote for Pres! Well put!

If you vote democrat you and they win the presidency, house and senate you can kiss the second amendment good by. Not only that they will remove the electoral college and not just appoint liberal supreme court judges but flood the court with added judges. In other words you are voting for the democrat dictatorship of our country.

No mater what you think of Trump we need to vote in a majority of pro-second amendment politicians so that vote never comes up.

Garryowen

Don't forget supreme court appointments.Thats the biggy.Them ones stay with us for a long time

The Inspector General's report is due out in a couple of weeks. A couple of federal investigators have had operations running now for most of 2 years.
I do believe that we are just coming up to the "interesting" part. It may well get exciting. I hope they arrest criminals and I care not for what party they are from.
Remember when we all claimed that nothing ever changes. That politics is crooked.
Do any of you think that one of "them" was going to fix any of it? They are the problem and it benefits them. They were never going to change anything.
It appears that Trump is not one of them. There is much speculation on "why" he ran for president.
I believe they are going slow trying to get people to understand what has happened and what is about to happen.
Gitmo has been expanded and updated. What for? Remember when Linsey asked Kavenagh about military tribunals for citizens? Why? For what purpose?
I am convinced we are about to learn just how "bought or blackmailed" our government really is.
Jeffrey Epstein? Yes....

I heard Biden has included an Animal Welfare platform to his campaign,didn't hear any specifics

hadn't heard that.

but if true, even THAT won't stop a lot of trappers (right here!) from voting for him.

truly insane!

X2

Trump deserves all the condemnation he deserves as a result of the Mueller findings. It is true that I have no more regard for Trump that I did for the pile of dogshirt that someone posted earlier. But I can separate my contempt for the man from my disdain for his uninformed Tweets.

Long Live America! And we don't need draft dodgers to rule us.

Jim

why are you picking on Bill "it depends on what your definition of 'is' is" Clinton?

and, as a side note: no President "rules" me.

Presidents lead the government's functions; but I'm not a "subject".

trump reminds me of a used car salesman

we still have Obama care and I expect as soon as a D gets elected those "taxes" for not having insurance will kick in

suppressors are still illegal without permission and taxes, and if I go to IL I have to be unarmed. Cause its safer for me that way.

KS meat packing plants are still all manned by illegals and so far as I can tell nobody has ever been arrested for hiring them.

A used car salesman will give you a price and then add a few thousand after the deal is made. All for good reason of course.

Economy is doing well and that is the only thing trump has done to impress me.

Oblabla was a true pile of dogshirt, I would think even a lawyer could detect that. I know a few that recognize the smell. Trump reminds me of a lot of things, but a traitor he isn't, and at least he was born in this country and appreciates it and what it's about.

We all are well aware of why you don't like the "used car salesman."

Have you ever acknowledged any of the positive stuff he's accomplished for this Country or do you just constantly whine and nit-pick?


How do you feel about the fact that he has appointed and had confirmed one hundred and twenty three conservative federal judges including two supreme court justices?

Or about the fact that he has cut off hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador?

Or that he is dismantling government bureaucracy redundancy?

Or the fact that he has opened 1.4 million acres of federal land to the public and eliminated 7,500 regulations limiting access?

What do you think about his attempts to level the playing field and eliminate the completely unfair trade practices set up by previous presidents and congresses?

His ongoing fight to stem the flow of illegal aliens into this country?

Bringing our soldiers home from a war we probably should have never been in?

Do you ever acknowledge any of that Danny? All I've ever seen you do was complain about things like "We still have Obama care and suppressors still require permits and are taxed."

he promised to end those things (Obama care and suppressor bans)



If your trying to say your trumps cheerleader then grab your poms poms. Its fine with me.

P.S. those wonderful new judges have still not ruled that gun bans are unconstitutional or that I have a right to self defense no matter what state im in

You must be a blast at a party Eeyore.

Very well put Lugnut.

w

a regular ol' Ray of Sunshine!

I could not vote for hillary, so I voted for trump. I hoped he would settle in and put good people around him when he was in office.
The good one's were run out, or left him, when they saw how he runs things.
His lies, failure to address the deficit, complete denial of climate change, And his name-calling, insulting, spoiled child like behavior has shown me that he is, in no way a man anyone should respect.

He has kept the good economy he inherited growing and that is a very good thing.

It seems many "good conservatives/republicans" (those who did not quit)have been laying low and watching to see if any of their colleagues will make the first move to unseat him. If one or two do, and the cowardly ones see that there is an appetite for a rebellion against him, they will come crawling out from under the rocks they've been hiding under and pile on.

I hope so

Just gonna troll until you get this deleted grackle?????

Nothing you posted can be talked about per our rules.

Time for you to either put your big-boy pants on or go cry somewhere else instead of getting our gun trheads deleted because you are an idiot.

I never understood how anybody can be Trump's cheerleader. The guy has some serious issues, starting with narcissism... But then I don't have to listen to him, and many of his policies are better than the alternative so... Sure would be nice if we could get a president that was both honest and wise, but I'm not holding my breath.

Have you read the other posts in this thread???? Seems kinda like your stalking me, hippie-yer barkin' up da wrong tree, man.

Many posts ask why any gun owner, trapper, hunter etc... could possibly NOT vote for trump. Some of us are answering that question.

You guys are down to,

His talk hurts my little feelings and he didn't open the gate where i hunt.
Sad, really sad.

How about.............

Boy, this is good news, he's not talking about red-flag laws this time. Or,
Glad he's not going with the Dems and calling for a ban on semi's and says guns arn't the problem.

nope, the anti's just have to stoop down to he hurt my feelings to try and screw up a positive news gun thread. This isn't the only one either, i see a thread where he is taking care of our shot-up veterans also got run over by whiners. Sad, really sad for this, an outdoorsmen site.

Spot on hippie, on all your points.

I've said none of that, hip. But if it's the reason others chose not to vote for him, who can say they are wrong? Certainly not you, nor any single issue voter.
You may feel a guy like him is a fine, upstanding example of what a man should be. I think he has shown himself to be anything but that.

Grackel no one has ever said he is what a man should be or is a stand up guy, or that he is what we have always need for a president. He is better then what we had he is better then what we have to choose from and was better the the choices we had last election. He has done nothing to hurt me so I won't complain.

He was certainly the better of the last two choices. America needs better....I can't really say we deserve any better, but we do need it.

Trump says things no other politician before him has been willing to say but need to be said. Calling out the MSM is long overdue and pointing out the insanity of the left is just a bonus.

I agree we need better. We will never get better this is as good as it gets. When trump leaves office things are going to take a big turn, I figure for the worst but we will see. Most of America wants free stuff open borders and no guns.

And most people are programed to presidents that don't take questions everytime they walk outside, talk from a prepared script and then turn and walk away. People are just not use to a president talking his mind, no tele-prompters and answering questions off-the-cuff for a half hour while walking to the helecopter.

It seems it hurts their feelings.

I don't believe that.

Addressing the comment by Matt28, I do not believe "most people" want free stuff, open borders and no guns. Most of the people who are squealing loudly trying to get their agenda passed and are very vocal who like being in the spot lite may be as U say. But I can tell you without a doubt there are just as many, probably more who are just opposite in their beliefs and wants. Those people are just not as vocal or even as radical in their day to day involvement in politics. This I have observed after a nearly 30 year jaunt in county government. Just my humble opinion !

Gryhkl is a REPUBLICAN, get it?

You slaughter your own.

Jim

Now that's funny lol.....

^^^^^ yup.

White17, most may have been a strong word but if it isn't half I dont think we would be in a situation where they would be pushing that agenda.

It's not half, yet. It's the big cities and squeaky wheels, which lays on the laps of the constituents. Also you have to figure in the Repubs in both houses who somehow keep getting reelected even though they don't have the voice of their people. Imo, we are at the proverbial crossroads, rural vs urban and our politicians are not coming out fighting even when in a corner. Wanna bet if ole Mitch gives in some on the 2nd when they come back?

It's getting bad real quick that's one thing that's for sure. I don't see away to stop it.

A slight majority of voters preferred Hillary to Trump.

Let that sink in.

Jim

Guess that shows there was a slight majority of losers.eh.

So where did this thunderstorm of knowledge come from? I ain't buying it just because you or the alphabet channels said it.

Cause he was one of the ones that voted for her.