Boy ain't that the truth. I've been watching grackle and some of these others for three years now spewing their hatred for him, and no matter what he did or does, they are gonna shoot off their mouth. He ain't no saint, byt you better not look in your own closet, unless you are a saint. If you had a kahuna one, you could see the good he has accomplished for this country, and what it would be like if the beast had won. Get a life!

I don't hate the guy. If his ego and greed didn't get in his way, he could be a very good president. He has done some good things, He kept the Obama recovery going, I don't think hillary would have done that. It's one of the reasons I voted for trump.
I thought he would do something about our debt. he made it worse. I thought he would choose good people to work around him. He got rid of, or caused the good ones to quit. He tries to bully the fed into firing the interest bullets that will be needed if things really start slowing. And I believe the tax rates were cut a little too much for the same reason.

One thing I have noticed is that saying anything negative about trump is what brings out the hatred from his most devout supporters. It's the same when anyone admits that Obama brought us out of the bush/dick economic disaster.
Nobody is all bad, nor all good. Many refuse to see that.

I thought this was about the 2nd?

I like Trump but I always say he is like Uncle Ted, say what you need to and stop talking would be better. LOL Can't get behind Obummer as the truth was so rare and the running down of the Nation was way to common. Just look at what went away when he did the blocking of roads, BLM, bushwhacking of the Police every week in fact I can't name 8 things he did in those 8 years really that helped this Nation.

You're right, catch22. The 2nd is one of the reasons he is better than hillary would have been. But, if supporting the amendment looks like it will cost too many votes, I think he will fold like most any other politician.

I may be wrong but I don't think that will be the issue. I think if he doesn't support the 2nd, he won't get reelected. When Congress comes back ole Turtle Mitch will hold off most everything but give the Dems a crumb of feel good gun control of sorts and it will be, moving right along.

The republicans should be making more of the fact that the laws we have are not being enforced when they are broken. Most voters would see that existing laws are impossible to evaluate for effectiveness the way things are now.

Yes grackle, there are probably lots of things Trump could do to lose my vote. You seem to be convinced that all Trump supporters are an uneducated rednecks wrapping themselves in American flags and screaming MAGA at everyone. And that they would support their Messiah no matter what he did.

It is a typical liberal/pseudo intellectual point of view and utterly false. Obama has the same viewpoint and it showed in his 2008 comments about working-class folks when he said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." H. Clinton also shares your viewpoint and it showed in 2016 when she said, "You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic – Islamophobic – you name it."

Well, you are all wrong about us. I understand the large amount of positive things Trump has done for this Country. Things no other President had the balls to even contemplate. But Trump just went right ahead and did them. His presidency so far has been a great success. Far too many accomplishments to list them all here but to mention just a few; he has appointed over eighty federal judges including two supreme court justices. He has cut aid to many undeserving countries. He is dismantling government bureaucracy redundancy. He is opening more and more federal land to the public. He is fighting to level the playing field and eliminate the completely unfair trade practices set up by previous presidents and congresses. He is fighting to stem the flow of illegal aliens into this country.He is bringing our soldiers home from a war we probably should have never been in. That just scratches the surface! And he has done/is doing all that with most of the Country trying to take him down! The vast majority of Americans don't seem to grasp the amount of good this President has done and is doing for this Country. That mostly due to the unrelenting, rabid smear campaign that was launched against him in 2016 by the left and their propaganda machine the national media. And it continues without let up.

Do I like his brash style and manner of speaking? No, I do not. But how petty and vindictive would a person have to be to not support a President this good for something that trivial?

There are things that I am disappointed about. His lack of action on national reciprocity is a big one. His wavering on 2A is another.

If he caves completely on 2A I'll have to weigh my decision on who to vote for. But at this point, with the entire field of Democratic presidential candidates trying to out anti-2A each other, I sure don't see any of them as a viable option. And I won't throw my vote away on a third party candidate. And I won't sit home on election day...

So maybe you are right after all...

Very well said Lug, spot on!

I think I’ve seen more defeatist attitudes here on TMan regarding the 2nd Amendment than anywhere else. We’re overreacting, and much of that is due to the fake news cycle. Why we take that source as a barometer of anything these days is beyond me.

1. All the usual metrics favor Trump for 2020 by a large margin.
2. The Democrats’ leading candidate is fumbling the basics in campaign performance almost daily.
3. Trump is filling sports stadiums and turning away thousands at his rallies because of capacity issues.
4. The Democrats are filling auditoriums if they’re lucky.
5. None of the Democratic candidates are generating excitement within their own party, let alone outside of it.
6. Best of all, trust in the propaganda machine for the Democratic Party (MSM) is at its lowest.

So when the Democrats and their media compatriots receive a huge political gift of two mass shootings in a row, we freak out because we’re not used to seeing the Democrats win. The Left has been battered so badly since Trump took office that their political win in this case – as morbid as it is – magnifies itself by contrast.

So back to fake news.... The graph below shows the results of a poll taken in early 2019, i.e., pre-Mueller Report and the collapse of Russiagate.


gryhkl, is there anything Trump could do that would make you vote for him? You don't have to answer. -- I'll just assume your silly question to Lug was not meant to be taken seriously.

You shouldn't try putting words in anyone's mouth, lug.
I think there are some trumpsters who are just as you describe. Their votes will never be in jeopardy. Just as the most zealot of the dems will never vote against any dem, no matter how far left their socialist positions.

I think he has done the country a huge disservice by labeling anything he doesn't like being reported as "fake news". I think he is a threat to the first amendment. And his friendliness with one news outlet, and some of it's talking heads, is as bad for the country as the constant attacks he endures from the like of msnbc and cnn.

I see some of his negatives you mention as being a bit more concerning than you do, and, while they may not cause me to vote for any of the dems now running, they are enough for me to wish for a much better true republican to challenge him.

So let me get this right. If President Trump loosens up on the 2nd. amendment, which would still be far better then anything the Dems are proposing, some of you would vote for the Green new deal, reparations, trillion dollar health care, higher taxes and socialism? Still seems like a no contest to me.

mainer, you're right that no dem has much in the way of ground-swell support. About the only thing they have going for them is the dislike so many have for trump. If more voters went for hillary than trump last time, any other dem will get even more votes. I know very few people who actually liked hillary. She caused lots of folks to stay home of vote for the other guy.
We republicans need to look for a better candidate, and a pro-2nd should be easy to find.

Most of the things you mention would make it very easy for any other republican to win in 2020.

I think believing President Trump's exposure of "fake news" is a threat to 1A is ridiculous. I'm pretty sure most thinking Americans realized the bullcrap the MSM was spewing long before Trump brought it to the forefront.

I actually think it is a good thing to expose the lies perpetrated on the public by fake news organizations.

Far from being a threat to 1A, it is really what 1A stands for isn't it? And shouldn't the POTUS be able to take advantage of the freedoms provided by 1A the same as the MSM does?

Don't feed the TROLL, there's nothing you or Trump could do to make him say anything good even when it's a positive post about guns.

There is not going to be a Republican challenger to President Trump in 2020. You can just put that dream to bed.

As usual, you are right hippie. Grackle just doesn't seem to get it as the quote below demonstrates.

"There is not going to be a Republican challenger to President Trump in 2020. You can just put that dream to bed".

Hope you're wrong about that, lug. The party needs it.......IMHO, of course!

OH SNAP!