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what makes a lure, a luire and a bait, a bait #6599463
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So, I've tried dunlaps liquid mouse and I like liquid bait with success, and used lures at dirt holes with success but it got me thinking. What makes a lure a lure and a bait a bait? I would think a bait is something they can eat, and a lure is just smell.

Re: what makes a lure, a luire and a bait, a bait [Re: shortliner16] #6599478
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Bait to me will always be in the purest sense something that an animal would put in it's mouth twice. Lot of stuff out there that animals won't touch again after tasting it. For things that lick their own butts that's something. Everything else is lure.

Re: what makes a lure, a luire and a bait, a bait [Re: shortliner16] #6599502
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My personal definitions are probably different than most. Because of the way the regulations are written in Idaho, I define bait as some attractant that is solid enough that it can't be poured from a container, while lure is something that can indeed be poured. We have a regulation that states that no part of any game animal or protected species can be used for bait, but bleached bones and "liquid scent" may be used. Also, we have a regulation that states that no trap or snare can be used within 30 feet of exposed bait. Thus, using "lure" (liquid), raptors and other scavenger birds (gray jays, magpies, etc.) aren't attracted by liquid, and you can put your trap 12" in front of a dirthole, and even if the squirrels, mice, or whatever, exposes that lure, you're not going to be in violation of the regulation. Make sense?

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Re: what makes a lure, a luire and a bait, a bait [Re: Gulo] #6599503
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Lure is an attraction that brings an animal to a set location. Bait is the substance that holds the animal at the set and gets it working the set until captured.


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Re: what makes a lure, a luire and a bait, a bait [Re: bctomcat] #6599504
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Originally Posted by bctomcat
Lure is an attraction that brings an animal to a set location. Bait is the substance that holds the animal at the set and gets it working the set until captured.

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Re: what makes a lure, a luire and a bait, a bait [Re: wetdog] #6599507
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Originally Posted by wetdog
Originally Posted by bctomcat
Lure is an attraction that brings an animal to a set location. Bait is the substance that holds the animal at the set and gets it working the set until captured.

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I have to slightly disagree because there are lures that promote digging and keep the animal there working it.

Re: what makes a lure, a luire and a bait, a bait [Re: Gulo] #6599512
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Originally Posted by Gulo
My personal definitions are probably different than most. Because of the way the regulations are written in Idaho, I define bait as some attractant that is solid enough that it can't be poured from a container, while lure is something that can indeed be poured. We have a regulation that states that no part of any game animal or protected species can be used for bait, but bleached bones and "liquid scent" may be used. Also, we have a regulation that states that no trap or snare can be used within 30 feet of exposed bait. Thus, using "lure" (liquid), raptors and other scavenger birds (gray jays, magpies, etc.) aren't attracted by liquid, and you can put your trap 12" in front of a dirthole, and even if the squirrels, mice, or whatever, exposes that lure, you're not going to be in violation of the regulation. Make sense?

Jack


What would pelletized baits like fisf food do baits, catfood baits be considered under that law? They can be poured .

Re: what makes a lure, a luire and a bait, a bait [Re: shortliner16] #6599513
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Not to mention, there are MANY "baits" that have lure ingredients in them, making them a lure and bait in one.
In short, I agree with bctomcat.


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Re: what makes a lure, a luire and a bait, a bait [Re: shortliner16] #6599526
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The best explanation I can come up with is bait is food an animal will eat if it can get to it and is perceived as a meal from the target animal. Were lure represents an odor that is attractive to target animals. Combine the two to the point were the formulation may not be eatable and you have what is sometimes called a "formulated bait" which to me works more as a lure.

Re: what makes a lure, a luire and a bait, a bait [Re: shortliner16] #6599639
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Good question. I guess I misspoke. The Idaho regulation clearly states "bleached bones or liquid" do not qualify as "bait", but are rather classified as "lure", the way I understand it.


Re: what makes a lure, a luire and a bait, a bait [Re: shortliner16] #6599689
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If you put it in a 1oz bottle it's lure if you put it in a plastic pt bottle it's bait! wink


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Re: what makes a lure, a luire and a bait, a bait [Re: shortliner16] #6599971
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An excellent canine trapper once told me that bait in the early part of the fur season acts more as a lure since the animal doesn’t want to eat it but is attracted to as a curiosity. After the season progresses into the winter cold it is now a bait since the critter now wants to eat it

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A hunk of meat or fish is bait. Add anything to that, and it becomes a food base lure.



Re: what makes a lure, a luire and a bait, a bait [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6599986
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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
An excellent canine trapper once told me that bait in the early part of the fur season acts more as a lure since the animal doesn’t want to eat it but is attracted to as a curiosity. After the season progresses into the winter cold it is now a bait since the critter now wants to eat it


I am far from an expert by any means and likely never will be, but they gotta eat in the summer right? Granted, canines are catching a lot of mice, voles, deer fawns, rabbits, etc. But I've been making mock dirt hole sets (as well as urine posts) all summer. All of the bait I put in the dirt holes has been eaten by the canines that are working the sets. Some of that bait is fairly aged and some of it is pretty fresh. Personally, in my very limited experience I have found coyotes and a few wolves very eager and willing to eat bait I've been putting out in the summer months, with no traps set, obviously.

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Re: what makes a lure, a luire and a bait, a bait [Re: shortliner16] #6599991
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Held an open pint of RK Predator Plus to a friends nose after I told him it was bait for coyotes. After he got done gagging , he said "what in the world would eat that stuff ! " I use mainly fresh chucks of deer, beaver, muskrat, etc. as "bait" and a 1/2 to 1 tsp of what would be sold as "bait" . Seems to work for me. The 1 ounce bottles of lure I use at flat sets and post sets.

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they both are used for attracting no different than using Creek Chubs or a Rapala for Pike someone in the distant past discovered a smear of Castor was a lot easier to carry than a mule full of Beaver carcasses nowdays what goes into lure preparation to heighten, enlighten ,preserve and extend the oder Luremakers should get a Nobel Prize for Chemistry


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Originally Posted by shortliner16
What makes a lure a lure and a bait a bait? I would think a bait is something they can eat, and a lure is just smell.


I think you correctly answered your own question.


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