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what if the coworker was lying? #6600132
08/22/19 08:56 AM
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just trying to get the guy he is having words with in trouble? maybe for complaining about the accuser to hr? I wish these stories had more detail other than the accused owned guns.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-arsenal-allegedly-threatened-hotel-225855394.html


LONG BEACH, Calif. (AP) — A cook at a Los Angeles-area hotel was arrested after he allegedly threatened a mass shooting and stockpiled guns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition at his home, police said Wednesday.

Rodolfo Montoya, 37, was taken into custody Tuesday at his Huntington Beach home, police said.

Montoya was upset over a work-related human resources issue when he told a co-worker at the Long Beach Marriott on Monday that "he was going to shoot up fellow employees and people coming into the hotel," Police Chief Robert Luna said.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: what if the coworker was lying? [Re: danny clifton] #6600165
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That is a tough one. Seen it for real not with guns but just every day work place crap.. turns into the he said she said type thing someone trying to mess with someone else... Can't imagine how that would turn out no days if you'd trow guns in the mix..Lot of times it's people just can't keep their nose in their own business..

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Re: what if the coworker was lying? [Re: danny clifton] #6600191
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By the end of next year exwives will be using this more than child abuse accusations to hobble their Xs just imagine the trouble it would make" he said he was going to shoot up the court house " SCARRY

Re: what if the coworker was lying? [Re: Bigfoot] #6600194
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Originally Posted by Bigfoot
By the end of next year exwives will be using this more than child abuse accusations to hobble their Xs just imagine the trouble it would make" he said he was going to shoot up the court house " SCARRY


That is an all too true fear. Another issue where one will be expected to prove himself innocent instead of having to be proven guilty.

Re: what if the coworker was lying? [Re: danny clifton] #6600250
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If this concept picks up steam...this is gonna be a bad deal.


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Re: what if the coworker was lying? [Re: danny clifton] #6600253
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Re: what if the coworker was lying? [Re: danny clifton] #6600259
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it is getting to the point where a person considers wearing a voice recorder any time they are out of the house.

maybe not so funny thing is i know a former cop from a big city , he talks like the city and so much Bravado , he is going to kick everyone's butt ect.. then he takes another drag off his smoke and calms down and you realize it's talk.


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Re: what if the coworker was lying? [Re: danny clifton] #6600263
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All amendments come with restrictions such as yelling fire in a theater full of people who are also witnesses to you yelling fire. The only way I see that this guy was arrested is when the cops went to ask him about it, he confessed to saying he was gonna go all Rambo. You can't say things like that and expect there will be no repercussions. If he said he didn't say it then it's his word against anothers and he shouldn't have been arrested imo.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: what if the coworker was lying? [Re: danny clifton] #6600267
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I agree catch 22. Why i said i wish for more detail. I assume that if he had confessed it would have said so. Maybe others heard him say it or maybe he is going through the wringer for being a gun owner


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I hope so too. Maybe the line that says, " had clear plans" means they have more than they're saying on him.

Re: what if the coworker was lying? [Re: danny clifton] #6600288
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Montoya may well have just been imitating Tony Montana and said something like, "Say hello to my little friend." followed by machine gun noises. Schoolchildren have now been suspended for just pointing their fingers and saying bang. Red Flag Laws will make things much worse for lawful gun owners.

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Re: what if the coworker was lying? [Re: danny clifton] #6600399
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Guess some people didn't read the part where they determined he had "clear intent". Yahoo articles are trash.

Re: what if the coworker was lying? [Re: M.Magis] #6600401
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Originally Posted by M.Magis
Guess some people didn't read the part where they determined he had "clear intent". Yahoo articles are trash.

And how did they come to that conclusion?


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: what if the coworker was lying? [Re: danny clifton] #6600403
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The MSM presents this stories just to get this reaction stop falling for it!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Example last week was the 5th year anniversary of the Michael Brown shooting the MSM reported this:

"Michael Brown a unarmed Black man was shot by a White Police Officer!" That might be true but it's not the whole truth!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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How many people are guily of having a stash of guns and ammo. I would guess over half the people on here have lots of ammo and guns. And if the law showed up at your place what would you tell them Im a avid hunter and target shooter? Pretty good chance were going down town for questioning.

I have always said you cant fight a lie.

Re: what if the coworker was lying? [Re: danny clifton] #6600425
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Had to laugh the other day the news said a guy had a .22 "hunting" rifle and 400 rounds of ammo all I could think was amateur!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Example last week was the 5th year anniversary of the Michael Brown shooting the MSM reported this:

"Michael Brown a unarmed Black man was shot by a White Police Officer!" That might be true but it's not the whole truth!

You shoulda been here for all the Boo hoo'n and BS that was on the news. Now his "Daddy" is trying to get the whole case reopened "To be there For his Son". Where was he when the kid was growing up to be a thug.


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Never going to hear that on the news Bob!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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this is exactly why red flag laws are bad news! all it will take to get your door kicked in at 4 am by over zealous cops wanting to be dirty harry's is an angry/jealous co worker, ex girlfriend, neighbor etc.. and im not cop bashing by any means, my father and grandfather were both LE ,you are not innocent until proven guilty you are guilty and have to try to prove your innocent, no due process and your guns are taken,period. everybody's gonna want to be the hero now who saved the world and reported something.

hey Law Dog, the other day on the Michael Brown anniversary the were saying 5 years ago when Michael Brown was "murdered". Murdered my foot! he attacked a police officer and got exactly what he deserved! I couldn't believe they were using the word murdered....

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