Re: Conibears on Running Poles
[Re: Fisher Man]
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I learned this way.
But, I think you make a valid point about keeping the dog away from the pelt. Where the trigger will lay more flat on the fisher. My only worry is the fisher won’t be far enough into the trap before it fires. I look forward to hearing more about this from others.
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Re: Conibears on Running Poles
[Re: Fisher Man]
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08/23/19 07:26 PM
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Use double headed nails to hold trap up above the log providing 1/2 inch or so room for dog clearance.
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Re: Conibears on Running Poles
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Thank you gentlemen for your responses.In bctomcats photo it appears to be much like I set, only upside down. It looks to me that when the trap is fired the dog would hit the log harmlessly and the triggers would fold uphill under the animal? In Delaware Rob's photo it seems to me the dog would strike the animal on the back, possibly causing pelt damage..I would question what the trap does to the flower bucket on the tree. Does it damage it? Besides running poles I also am going to a lot of wire cages set on perfectly perpendicular trees. I like to sleep nights and don't want to kill someone's dog. I have never bent my triggers, always use them straight, have never had a problem with fisher far enough into the trap. Thank you for the replys.
It doesn’t damage the can/bucket because the jaw is secured and fired toward the animal not toward the can/bucket. I do see what you mean about the dog possibly damaging the pelt on the back and neck.
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Re: Conibears on Running Poles
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08/23/19 09:35 PM
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I alway bend my triggers back....more inviting...for fisher and coon...but I use these in my home made wire cages....I’ll have to make a thread later..on my cages
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Re: Conibears on Running Poles
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How well do the pans work with marten as the primary target with the possibility of fisher as well ?
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Re: Conibears on Running Poles
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How well do the pans work with marten as the primary target with the possibility of fisher as well ?
Excellent. I have been using pans on 120 traps for many years placed within 4-5" of the bait, for mink, marten and fisher, and get a consistent humane catch virtually every time. The reason being that they are stable at the bait and standing on the pan or bumping it with their chest while working the bait, not moving through the trap to get to the bait. On mink and marten you will get a neck/thorax catch whereas the fisher will be a neck catch as shown in the previous post.
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Re: Conibears on Running Poles
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08/24/19 11:42 PM
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I absolutely refuse to use body grips and this is one of the reasons. BUT......... I think BCtomcat can provide you with an alternative method that will address your concerns. Replace your trigger wires with pans.
He can give you good advice BC’s methods work wonderfully. All of my 120’s are now set up with pans.
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Re: Conibears on Running Poles
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08/25/19 09:34 AM
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My 5 x 5 's should work then with pans put on them for Adirondack marten & fisher .
I might experiment with the double headed nail set up , i like the idea of the jaw not being against the log .
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Re: Conibears on Running Poles
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08/25/19 09:50 AM
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I also use wood pans, (3/8" plywood) in boxes.
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Re: Conibears on Running Poles
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I killed hundreds of groundhogs & coons in these 5 x 5's, they have 160 springs .
I may buy some 160's just to use up there though.
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Re: Conibears on Running Poles
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I'm not sold on 5x5's being large enough for fisher. Many others have this opinion also, but I have never seen where a fisher that has climbed a pole to the set has refused to enter. As previously stated the pan trigger setup provides an open entry space without any trigger wires in their face that may deter them from entering thru the trap. If you feel uncomfortable with 120 magnum size trap then use a larger trap but WITH A PAN.
Last edited by bctomcat; 08/25/19 10:49 AM.
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Re: Conibears on Running Poles
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I have had fisher refuse to climb the pole, but once they commit I have never had one (that I am aware of) scared away by the trigger wires. I do think the pans seem like a good idea. It is my impression that you can catch more fisher on the ground than on the poles. I like the poles because they are quick to make and they avoid dogs. I hate lugging boxes around, Most of my trapping is under wilderness conditions, but I just get nervous about someone walking with a loose dog.
Next question, Do you camouflage your traps or just leave them bare? I usually leave mine bare and I don't cover my bait. I want the birds to work the bait and I usually bend the springs straight up with a stick run through the eyes for the birds to perch on rather than on the triggers. Also, I have never have had a bird of prey in a trap, I have tried using evergreen branches, but snow has made a mess frequently of the set. I used to pour rotted down fish on the pole, but bears gave me much trouble and I gave up that practice. In addition to the skunk attractor I also use another scent that I don't know of any other trapper using.
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Re: Conibears on Running Poles
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08/25/19 09:56 PM
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After I caught a crow....along time ago...I started weaving pine and hemlock bows on top of my wire cages. Those pine bows also keep the snow off the bait....so the fisher can see it coming up the pole. Paul Grimshaw had a good fisher lure...a couple drops at the base of the pole,was all yah needed.
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