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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6610937
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Lets see I'm no scientist but trees eat CO2 and none of these smart people talk about planning billions of trees but do send cash they are OK with that.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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"We didn't come all the way out here just to 'feel them on the line.' "
Re: Climate [Re: zoozoo400] #6611002
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Originally Posted by zoozoo400
Venus is the hot one, though I can't recall why.. Maybe it's all those clouds?


MAYBE [in my best Sam Kinison voice]…. it's because it's SO CLOSE TO THE SUN!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

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Re: Climate [Re: Finster] #6611005
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Originally Posted by Finster
It's all a farce and has always been a farce. The biggest lie told by the wacked out left. Still to this day not one speck of evidence from any independent source that humans have anything to do with it or that the earth is even warming. In fact, there has been more evidence against it and countless instances of government "scientist" playing with the numbers. It's all a crock, has always been a crock and will always be a crock.



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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6611062
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Greenhouse gasses like CO2 and methane trap heat. No denying this. Coal and carbon fuel produce CO2 and methane gasses. No denying this. Many states allow natural gas to be flared at the wellhead. No denying this. If you think air pollution is not real, travel to Beijing. I have been there. No denying that the air in China will choke an American. China burns a lot of coal. No denying this.

The Martian atmosphere is extremely thin. Even though it’s small amount of CO2 heats up quickly, it offers almost no insulating blanket at night and the heat escapes. Here on earth, our denser atmosphere acts as a blanket, keeping us in a moderate zone of highs and lows. Our zone of temperatures is rising. That is our problem. Summers and winters, on average, are getting a little warmer as our CO2 levels are increasing

I wish it wasn’t so. The swings used to occur naturally, but human activity is a contributing factor today.

I am open to a science based objection.

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Originally Posted by charles
Greenhouse gasses like CO2 and methane trap heat. No denying this. Coal and carbon fuel produce CO2 and methane gasses. No denying this. Many states allow natural gas to be flared at the wellhead. No denying this. If you think air pollution is not real, travel to Beijing. I have been there. No denying that the air in China will choke an American. China burns a lot of coal. No denying this.

The Martian atmosphere is extremely thin. Even though it’s small amount of CO2 heats up quickly, it offers almost no insulating blanket at night and the heat escapes. Here on earth, our denser atmosphere acts as a blanket, keeping us in a moderate zone of highs and lows. Our zone of temperatures is rising. That is our problem. Summers and winters, on average, are getting a little warmer as our CO2 levels are increasing

I wish it wasn’t so. The swings used to occur naturally, but human activity is a contributing factor today.

I am open to a science based objection.


Charles, I respectfully disagree with the human activity part of your post. I will not argue with the planet warming, Although NASA climate satellites say no warming for 15 year period, and that’s why they changed it from “global warming” to “climate change”. It also troubles me greatly that they have been revising old heat records from the early 1900’s and lowering them. If you dig on the net you will see previous records have been revised down. I will not argue that we can and do have an impact on our environment (pollution). They like to interchange the words climate and environment to trip people up. I would challenge you to read the book “A Disgrace To the Profession “ by Mark Steyn. One of many great books on the other side of climate change. Search YouTube for him discussing it also.


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Originally Posted by charles
Greenhouse gasses like CO2 and methane trap heat. No denying this. Coal and carbon fuel produce CO2 and methane gasses. No denying this. Many states allow natural gas to be flared at the wellhead. No denying this. If you think air pollution is not real, travel to Beijing. I have been there. No denying that the air in China will choke an American. China burns a lot of coal. No denying this.

The Martian atmosphere is extremely thin. Even though it’s small amount of CO2 heats up quickly, it offers almost no insulating blanket at night and the heat escapes. Here on earth, our denser atmosphere acts as a blanket, keeping us in a moderate zone of highs and lows. Our zone of temperatures is rising. That is our problem. Summers and winters, on average, are getting a little warmer as our CO2 levels are increasing

I wish it wasn’t so. The swings used to occur naturally, but human activity is a contributing factor today.

I am open to a science based objection.

"Science based" is what is at issue. When the "scientists" claim that over the past 100 years, the Earth's temperature has risen by 2 degrees "Fahrenheit", my B.S. meter goes off.
What scientist on the planet uses Fahrenheit? Only the one who thinks that 0.8 degrees Centigrade doesn't seem like enough of a difference for the sheeple to take notice.
Science is also greatly lacking when it comes to methodology of a scientific study. The methodology used today was not even imaginable 25 years ago, let alone 100 years ago.
The most glaring absence in the discussion of the results of these "studies" is the mention of the Margin of Error, which is used to determine whether the results of the study are statistically significant. Without the declaration of statistical significance, the results of the study are summarily dismissed as scientifically invalid.
So they changed gears and relabeled our ultimate demise as Climate Change. A brilliant move in spite of their diabolical intentions. Who can deny that the climate changes. How can anyone possibly even measure climate, let alone measure change in climate. Therefore there is no way to debate Climate Change. It is very similar to the South Park, Johnny Cochran, Cewbacca Defense. "It doesn't make sense. If it doesn't make sense, you must acquit."

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6611169
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Charles, you just sold your sound-front property recently...did it hold its value over the time you owned it, or did you have to essentially give it away, since it'll be underwater soon? it's elevation was like 6 feet, wasn't it?

https://www.investors.com/politics/...admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

from the article:

"listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore,

So what is the goal of environmental policy? "We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy," said Edenhofer."



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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6611194
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China has drastically altered their climate with coal smoke. You cannot see the sky in Beijing. Some days you cannot see the tops of buildings. It is man made for certain.

Surely the Chinese industrial pollution impacts weather and health.

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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6611199
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what are THEIR plans to clean up their act?


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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6611219
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Don, I sold my Hatteras Island home after 14 years for what I had in it. I broke even. A year later I might have done a little better because of the new bridge. My lot elevation was 2.8 feet. Friday the sound side water was at seven feet.

Not only is sea level inching up, but the Island has always moved from East to West. Near me is a flat area where locals played baseball 50 years ago. It is two feet under water now.

We sold and moved for three reasons. Our age and my health was factor number one. Not a good place to grow old or need medical services. Number two was the severity and frequency of hurricanes, and lastly we see our grandkids every day now. Number two was the dal maker.

I can show you four distinct sea shores in N.C. The geology is evident. Sea level changes have occurred in the past. Land is also sinking, especially in the NE corner. Temps are warmer even in my lifetime. Sea water temp changes are causing fish species to more north. We now have manatee in Norfolk Va! Lion Fish are off our shores. Bird migration are changing because of climate. NC now has armadillo.

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6611224
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Hottest & Driest here (for the last 10 years at least
) - Mother Nature/God provides or puts the pressure on?


“In God is our trust!” And the star-span-gled ban-ner in tri-umph shall wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
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Charles, I'm not doubting there are changes. Nothing on this rock is static for long (geologically).

none of the things you mentioned can be DIRECTLY attributed (SCIENTIFICALLY) to the warming that is occurring. storm frequency and intensity MAY be related (and likely is); but there's no hard evidence. remember, a correlation in time does NOT establish a scientific cause and effect relationship.

the problem for me is that when the IPCC gurus THEMSELVES say the Paris (previously Montreal and Rio) Accords are much more about re-distribution of wealth than saving the planet...I tend to believe them!

Looking back, EVERY environmental "crisis" had the same exact solution: America had to PAY, in one way or another (usually, by giving up cheap, reliable energy and/or its sovereignty.)

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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6611252
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white marlin - The article you posted should be required reading. Climate change is a tool used to
redistribute wealth. Thanks for posting.


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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6611283
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thanks, Ol' Smoke.

I wish kids were taught the truth.

as Malcom X supposedly once said: "Only a Fool would allow his enemies to teach his children."


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Re: Climate [Re: white marlin] #6611625
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In June of 1974 Time magazine published a lengthy doom and gloom article concerning the inevitable global cooling that would doom the planet.

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Originally Posted by Zim
In June of 1974 Time magazine published a lengthy doom and gloom article concerning the inevitable global cooling that would doom the planet.

Zim

Yes, the modern day ice age that would consume us all. The fiddle has been playing for many years and has not but changed tunes, here we are lol.


Disclaimer: I am currently drunk, yet still confident that this makes sense.
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It's been changing everyday since the Flood!

Man will not destroy this earth!!

We might poop in our own bath water so to say? But we will not destroy what took the God to create!

By the way:. The Bible says to take your waste far from you and to be good stewards! So do thatt and we will all be ok till the earth is destroyed. Then some of us will still be ok after!

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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6611979
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They know from ice core samples from the Arctic that greenhouse gases have not been this high as far as they can go back witch is about 1 million years.

Ice core samples is also the same instrument used to get led out of the gas.They also denied and fought that tooth and nail.


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You only live once, so get over it!

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brian, your superstition is about as accurate as the climatologists at least.


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