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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6611993
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Last edited by muddyriverdogz; 09/08/19 11:40 AM.

You only live once, so get over it!

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Re: Climate [Re: danny clifton] #6612051
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
brian, your superstition is about as accurate as the climatologists at least.



Is that a fact?

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6612054
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For that experiment to really be accurate the bottle with alka selzer needs a valve to release gas so the pressure in each bottle is the same. Pressure creates heat. Its the principal diesel engines work on. 2nd it should be done out side in sunlight with sunshine as the heat source. I don't believe that a heat lamp can be evenly directed at two bottles. I also think the level of co2 needs somehow measured in both bottles so that any temperature disparity can be evaluated and compared to co2 levels in our atmosphere


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Re: Climate [Re: danny clifton] #6612087
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I believe the idea is not about total accuracy but just to show how a gas traps heat. Maybe this will help.



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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6612098
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what happened to the impending ice age?


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Re: Climate [Re: danny clifton] #6612103
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
what happened to the impending ice age?



When I was in school in the early seventies school administrators had a guy come in and tell the assembled high-school students about the plan to spread ash over the polar ice caps to slow and reverse global cooling caused by (what else) mankind. Even at that young age I recognized bullcrap when I heard it. Haven't put much stock in climatologists since.


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Re: Climate [Re: Lugnut] #6612105
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by danny clifton
what happened to the impending ice age?



When I was in school in the early seventies school administrators had a guy come in and tell the assembled high-school students about the plan to spread ash over the polar ice caps to slow and reverse global cooling caused by (what else) mankind. Even at that young age I recognized bullcrap when I heard it. Haven't put much stock in climatologists since.

Exactly. And then wasn't it acid rain that would doom us all lol.


Disclaimer: I am currently drunk, yet still confident that this makes sense.
Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6612112
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Sin!

Mark it down. That's will be the death of us all!

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6612239
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Global CO2 has been ONE THOUSAND TIMES higher than today. Global average temperature has been 15F higher... and 20F lower. Life went on just like today.

Global Cooling is a VASTLY greater threat to life on Earth than Warming.

Man made Climate Change is 100% lefty kookadoodle hoax.


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Re: Climate [Re: DuxDawg] #6612303
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Originally Posted by DuxDawg
Global CO2 has been ONE THOUSAND TIMES higher than today. Global average temperature has been 15F higher... and 20F lower. Life went on just like today.

Global Cooling is a VASTLY greater threat to life on Earth than Warming.

Man made Climate Change is 100% lefty kookadoodle hoax.



I have seen no evidence to that. All the ice core data i have seen shows Greenhouse gas's are higher now than at any time in the past 800,000 years. I am not talking temperature i am talking green house gases.

The truth on this will come out because somebody on one side or the other is lying. Either the data is being skewed to support deniers or it's being skewed to support pro-claimer's.


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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6612331
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What Brian said.

X2


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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6612334
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When Krakatoa blew up in the late 1800's didn't the temperature worldwide drop for a few years?


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Re: Climate [Re: muddyriverdogz] #6612353
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Originally Posted by muddyriverdogz
They know from ice core samples from the Arctic that greenhouse gases have not been this high as far as they can go back witch is about 1 million years.

Ice core samples is also the same instrument used to get led out of the gas.They also denied and fought that tooth and nail.


Are you suggesting that glacial ice contained lead from gas? Did Fred Flintstone's car burn leaded gas? Look up the meaning of glacial ice.
While you are in the looking up mood, look up the fact that the ice core samples prove that CO2 level increased AFTER a warming period, not before. Therefore elevated CO2 did not cause global warming.

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6612360
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Originally Posted by muddyriverdogz
The truth on this will come out because somebody on one side or the other is lying. Either the data is being skewed to support deniers or it's being skewed to support pro-claimer's.



I agree, the data is being skewed one way or the other. It's not unusual for climate data to be skewed to promote one political agenda or another. Or to make a select few powerful and wealthy folks much richer.

I doubt we will ever know the truth though.


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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6612366
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I would do that bottle experiment, in the sun, if I could figure out how to let one fill with co2 but have the same internal air pressure as the other bottle. heck put 100% co2 in it


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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6612376
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Bill Nye is a mechanical engineer, not a scientist. Not to say that he is not well-read, but the problem is, he is reading someone else's words.
If we were to allow what he and his ilk would like for us to do, there would be no measurable change whatsoever in the climate.
Now think about this for a minute. Let's say that these folks could actually reduce green house gasses enough to change the climate, what's to say that they wouldn't cause a global catastrophe by going too far and permanently eliminate the green house gasses and turn the planet into Venus?

Re: Climate [Re: 52Carl] #6612570
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
Bill Nye is a mechanical engineer, not a scientist. Not to say that he is not well-read, but the problem is, he is reading someone else's words.
If we were to allow what he and his ilk would like for us to do, there would be no measurable change whatsoever in the climate.
Now think about this for a minute. Let's say that these folks could actually reduce green house gasses enough to change the climate, what's to say that they wouldn't cause a global catastrophe by going too far and permanently eliminate the green house gasses and turn the planet into Venus?


Bill Nye is a mechanical engineer with a whole lot of physics. Not my words, his. University records could find out if that's true or not. He has done more than just read other peoples word's. There is video of him at the arctic when he was young and also at one of the facility's in the arctic where they pull the core samples. So he has conversed with these scientist one on one. There is a biography on Bill that shows this running on Netflix. .https://www.netflix.com/title/80182411

I don't believe they want or could eliminate greenhouse gasses, just reduce them.


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Re: Climate [Re: 52Carl] #6612573
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Are you suggesting that glacial ice contained lead from gas? Did Fred Flintstone's car burn leaded gas? Look up the meaning of glacial ice.
While you are in the looking up mood, look up the fact that the ice core samples prove that CO2 level increased AFTER a warming period, not before. Therefore elevated CO2 did not cause global warming. [/quote]

The amount of led in the atmosphere at any given point/time was frozen in the core sample. This was testified to in Congress by a scientist. That's why Congress outlawed putting led in gas. You can look that up it's public record. Congress obviously believed the data the core sample told them at that time.

Why isn't Congress doing this today so we can get to the bottom of it ?

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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6612585
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It's not true that prevailing scientific theory in the early '70s ignored global warming in favor of a new ice age. Global warming was so accepted even back then that it made it into Hollywood in films of the time, like "Soylent Green."

I prefer the term global warming because that is exactly what is happening. Nature or God has put Venus right in front of us as an example. Greater proximity to the sun cannot account for the hellish climate--Venus is even hotter than Mercury, which is the closest planet to the sun.

As has been pointed out, there is a big difference between greenhouse gases and particulate pollution. (Thank you Charles and Muddyriverdogz.) Particulates, as from a massive volcano, can cause global cooling for a year or so--according to scientific theory. Of course, if you reject science you won't pay heed to that either.

All that being true, I won't deny that some political forces may be using global warming as cover for wealth redistribution. But what do you tell a third-world country that says, "You had your industrial revolution. Now we want ours."

Jim

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Originally Posted by James
what do you tell a third-world country that says, "You had your industrial revolution. Now we want ours."Jim


you tell them "no!"

after all, the future is green energy. tell them to put up windmills. tell them to install electric car charging stations. tell them to stop raising goats and cows and start raising solar panel farms. tell them to do everything WE'RE being told to do.

to do otherwise, is to do them a great injustice!

why would you saddle them with old technology, while WE leap forward [AGAIN!] past them???

why would we "allow" them to harm the planet more than we have already done? fossil fuels are the past, man...we owe them a future!

(and if they need fossil fuels to catch up, that tells you something right there.)



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