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I have a question about NICS #6609483
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Is it illegal to try to purchase a firearm when you have been ruled by a court that you cannot because you have been deemed mentally unfit? The reason I ask this is because the mass shooter in Texas was deemed unfit and tried to get a firearm and was denied. Shouldn't he have been swooped up right then?
Gunman mentally unfit uses "loophole" to purchase firearm


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Re: I have a question about NICS [Re: Catch22] #6609485
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i know what your asking but being mentally unfit as yet is not a crime lying on your application is


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Re: I have a question about NICS [Re: Catch22] #6609486
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I believe he bought it privately. If a 16 yr old attempts to buy cigs should he be arrested?

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No. It's not a crime to fail a background check.

Re: I have a question about NICS [Re: 080808] #6609489
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Originally Posted by 080808
I believe he bought it privately. If a 16 yr old attempts to buy cigs should he be arrested?

The gun he used was yes, bought privately. However he tried to purchase one at a store first, and NICS kicked him out. If someone has been federally banned from owning and purchasing firearms, and tries to get one you would think that would be a huge red flag and illegal.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: I have a question about NICS [Re: jeff karsten] #6609490
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
i know what your asking but being mentally unfit as yet is not a crime lying on your application is

Wouldn't he have lied?


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: I have a question about NICS [Re: Catch22] #6609493
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Don't know what he checked on the form


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Re: I have a question about NICS [Re: Catch22] #6609494
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Would you want to be arrested if you got flagged as a false positive or you had something in your paat that disqualified you from purchasing a gun and you didn't know?

Re: I have a question about NICS [Re: jeff karsten] #6609495
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Don't know what he checked on the form

Good point. Isn't the question of being deemed mentally unfit on the form? Guess he could have checked yes.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: I have a question about NICS [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6609496
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Would you want to be arrested if you got flagged as a false positive or you had something in your paat that disqualified you from purchasing a gun and you didn't know?

I believe from the story on Fox that he had to go to court and was ruled unfit from a Judge. I think you would know, but???


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Yes it is along with domestic abuse,illegal alien restraining order any felony and a lot of have you evers


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Re: I have a question about NICS [Re: Catch22] #6609498
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Is it illegal to try to purchase a firearm when you have been ruled by a court that you cannot because you have been deemed mentally unfit? The reason I ask this is because the mass shooter in Texas was deemed unfit and tried to get a firearm and was denied. Shouldn't he have been swooped up right then?
Gunman mentally unfit uses "loophole" to purchase firearm


yes but the government failed you for the multi millionth time , they tout the millions of denies they said they would prosecute at the beginning of the NICs lie as the system working to prevent sales and not them failing to do what they promised they would and what would be a slam dunk case.


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Catc22 and Sniper, I have a buddy who found out he had been a victim to identity theft when he went to buy a gun. He was red flagged but yet has never been arrested or stepped in court. Long story short he knew the guy that used his info and pressed charges and it is a process for him to buy a gun now. That is the very short version of the story.

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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by Catch22
Is it illegal to try to purchase a firearm when you have been ruled by a court that you cannot because you have been deemed mentally unfit? The reason I ask this is because the mass shooter in Texas was deemed unfit and tried to get a firearm and was denied. Shouldn't he have been swooped up right then?
Gunman mentally unfit uses "loophole" to purchase firearm


yes but the government failed you for the multi millionth time , they tout the millions of denies they said they would prosecute at the beginning of the NICs lie as the system working to prevent sales and not them failing to do what they promised they would and what would be a slam dunk case.

That's what I'm seeing here. The shooting would have been prevented if this guy was cuffed and stuffed when he applied to purchase.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Originally Posted by adam m
Catc22 and Sniper, I have a buddy who found out he had been a victim to identity theft when he went to buy a gun. He was red flagged but yet has never been arrested or stepped in court. Long story short he knew the guy that used his info and pressed charges and it is a process for him to buy a gun now. That is the very short version of the story.



a friend who used to be a LEO has a person with the same name who got themselves in a bunch of trouble.
my friend knows if she goes to buy a gun it is going to take 3 days and a phone call every time and builds that into any shopping trip.
a PIN personal identification number can help sort out that your the real you , you need to get it form the state DOJ


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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by adam m
Catc22 and Sniper, I have a buddy who found out he had been a victim to identity theft when he went to buy a gun. He was red flagged but yet has never been arrested or stepped in court. Long story short he knew the guy that used his info and pressed charges and it is a process for him to buy a gun now. That is the very short version of the story.



a friend who used to be a LEO has a person with the same name who got themselves in a bunch of trouble.
my friend knows if she goes to buy a gun it is going to take 3 days and a phone call every time and builds that into any shopping trip.
a PIN personal identification number can help sort out that your the real you , you need to get it form the state DOJ

That stinks. Yup I think he has a PIN and takes a few forms but still has the 3 day wait too

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
No. It's not a crime to fail a background check.
It is a Federal Felony for a prohibited person to attempt to purchase a firearm. But, that's just another law that nobody enforces!


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Originally Posted by BigBob
Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
No. It's not a crime to fail a background check.
It is a Federal Felony for a prohibited person to attempt to purchase a firearm. But, that's just another law that nobody enforces!

This is what I thought. If he was deemed mentally unfit by the court of law it should be on his background check (Maybe Texas doesn't report, good ol' IL does).

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Re: I have a question about NICS [Re: Catch22] #6609587
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NICS Form 4473 https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

read it for yourself

Re: I have a question about NICS [Re: Catch22] #6609674
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Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?


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