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Climate #6608784
09/03/19 12:02 PM
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They say all the coal fired plants, forest burning, and cars are causing the earth to heat up. So I have been doing a little looking and I will say I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer but wouldn't all the junk in the air cause the earth to cool off by blocking the sun like it did in 1815-1817? 1816 was called the year without a summer because of a volcano erupting in 1815 it blocked the sun causing global cooling not warming. It was called mt. Tamboro. So why wouldn't today's pollution have the same effect only on a milder scale?

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6608799
09/03/19 12:30 PM
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The totally unproven and probably unprovable theory is that it depends on where the materials going into the atmosphere end up on whether they raise or lower the earth's temperature. The whole movement is mainly about controlling people and wealth redistribution.

Keith

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6608986
09/03/19 06:14 PM
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Particulates and certain other compounds in the upper atmosphere block sunlight. It does cause cooling. Greenhouse gasses do not block the radiation, rather they trap certain wavelengths that make it into the atmosphere and cause warming. We have as a society release a lot less of the particulate pollution. It had other nasty effects like acid rain as well. Different types of pollution have different effects.


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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6609047
09/03/19 07:54 PM
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A lot of the CO2 in the atmosphere is absorbed by the ocean. It's basically a giant "heat sink" for both temp & greenhouse gases. Which isn't really a good thing.. makes it more acidic. Mollusks & all those calcium-shelled critters have trouble surviving in those conditions. Some organisms like it though, and bloom more frequently bc of it; Red Tide is a good example

There are many other factors that affect algal blooms, but I won't bother getting into them here

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6609143
09/03/19 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rex123
They say all the coal fired plants, forest burning, and cars are causing the earth to heat up. So I have been doing a little looking and I will say I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer but wouldn't all the junk in the air cause the earth to cool off by blocking the sun like it did in 1815-1817? 1816 was called the year without a summer because of a volcano erupting in 1815 it blocked the sun causing global cooling not warming. It was called mt. Tamboro. So why wouldn't today's pollution have the same effect only on a milder scale?





You may be correct..........

The push for a cleaner air quality over the last 40 yrs may have caused some small insignificant amount of warming


I say MAGA and let the smoke stacks roll !!!


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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6609492
09/04/19 11:59 AM
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The earth has been this warm and warmer in the past. This is a completely normal warm up (if you look at earth temp charts over millions of years...best they can guess anyhow). When people here in MN say the earth is warming, I say I sure hope so. Was only a very short time ago (in geologic timeframe) that where I'm standing right now had 150 feet of ice over me. Over 13,000 lakes here in MN....all created by the ice age. Hard to get around with 150 feet of ice on top of ya.

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09/04/19 12:57 PM
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Calvin I agree with you completely.

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6609612
09/04/19 04:08 PM
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Humans are nothing but a flash in the pan. It doesnt matter what we do. Earth will have billions of years to reinvent itself. Everything here will be reprocessed and reformed. We'll be lucky to be referenced as a footnote in the history of this planet

Re: Climate [Re: Calvin] #6609667
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Originally Posted by Calvin
The earth has been this warm and warmer in the past. This is a completely normal warm up (if you look at earth temp charts over millions of years...best they can guess anyhow). When people here in MN say the earth is warming, I say I sure hope so. Was only a very short time ago (in geologic timeframe) that where I'm standing right now had 150 feet of ice over me. Over 13,000 lakes here in MN....all created by the ice age. Hard to get around with 150 feet of ice on top of ya.


Well said!!


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"We are fast approaching... rule by brute force."
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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6610542
09/06/19 12:14 AM
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Man, people in this place are becoming a bunch of Insanity Deniers! If y'all don't get with the program soon, Bernie will never be president.

Re: Climate [Re: Rat_Pack] #6610557
09/06/19 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Rat_Pack
Humans are nothing but a flash in the pan. It doesnt matter what we do. Earth will have billions of years to reinvent itself. Everything here will be reprocessed and reformed. We'll be lucky to be referenced as a footnote in the history of this planet


A comforting reminder. I keep this one in my pocket

Re: Climate [Re: bhugo] #6610572
09/06/19 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by bhugo
Greenhouse gasses do not block the radiation, rather they trap certain wavelengths that make it into the atmosphere and cause warming. We have as a society release a lot less of the particulate pollution. It had other nasty effects like acid rain as well. Different types of pollution have different effects.


and carbon dioxide is one of the strongest of the greenhouse gases.

That's why Mars (whose atmosphere is 95 percent carbon dioxide) is so darn hot! it's like 800 degrees on Mars!

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6610574
09/06/19 05:45 AM
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this has been the coolest summer and the wettest summer, here in ks., I have seen.


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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6610602
09/06/19 07:22 AM
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I wonder when we start cooling off if they will say it man made also

Re: Climate [Re: white marlin] #6610645
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by bhugo
Greenhouse gasses do not block the radiation, rather they trap certain wavelengths that make it into the atmosphere and cause warming. We have as a society release a lot less of the particulate pollution. It had other nasty effects like acid rain as well. Different types of pollution have different effects.


and carbon dioxide is one of the strongest of the greenhouse gases.

That's why Mars (whose atmosphere is 95 percent carbon dioxide) is so darn hot! it's like 800 degrees on Mars!



Well crap. So much for that remote winter home idea I had.

Osky


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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6610692
09/06/19 10:35 AM
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The temperature on Mars is 70 degrees to minus 100 at the poles It doesn't hold heat because the atmosphere is so thin.

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Venus is the hot one, though I can't recall why.. Maybe it's all those clouds?

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Originally Posted by rex123
The temperature on Mars is 70 degrees to minus 100 at the poles It doesn't hold heat because the atmosphere is so thin.


but it's almost PURE CO2!!!

if it "traps heat" here, it must trap heat there....eventually, it should get to 800 degrees, yes?

I mean, Venus is hot because of the "runaway greenhouse effect", due to it's high CO2 content (they tell us)...

Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6610915
09/06/19 06:23 PM
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It's all a farce and has always been a farce. The biggest lie told by the wacked out left. Still to this day not one speck of evidence from any independent source that humans have anything to do with it or that the earth is even warming. In fact, there has been more evidence against it and countless instances of government "scientist" playing with the numbers. It's all a crock, has always been a crock and will always be a crock.


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Re: Climate [Re: rex123] #6610930
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I'll believe it when I can buy an acre of (now) ocean-front property for $200.00

[should be CHEAP, if it's only good for 12 years before being underwater]

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