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Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: 160user] #6612905
09/09/19 04:46 PM
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Well, I guess I need to have "the talk" with Logan and then get busy digging a hole. Ain't life grand?


I have nothing clever to put here.





Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: 160user] #6612910
09/09/19 04:54 PM
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That's rough but if it helps,I really think your doing the right thing. It will be harder to do tomorrow than today, and so on and so on.................................

Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: 160user] #6612912
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Sounds like you've made an extremely hard desicion

I have a 3.5 year old lab, like your situation mine got a bit aggressive but never at a child, she got snarly and rushed at a few strangers that came up the driveway but stayed 10' away and didn't bite, worked with her and hasn't happened since

If it would have been children she did that to, most definitely would have been in the same boat as you.

Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: 160user] #6612916
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I certainly don't envy you, 160.

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Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: 160user] #6612919
09/09/19 05:08 PM
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I have found Cesar Millan's techniques fascinating over the years . Understanding dog behaviors , and teaching people to understand them and deal with dogs in the language they understand and respect.

He is the equivalent in the dog world as Pat Perrelli and Monty Roberts are in the horse world. They have re written the script of dealing with these animals in the terms they understand , to the benefits of owners and animals alike.

I remembered a show about a yellow lab several years ago and thought it would be interesting to folks here. As trappers, it does tie right in with knowing animal behavior and troubleshooting in many areas, whether knowing the mind of a canine for the foothold, or in dealing with the domestic companion.

I posted these videos in chronological order, from the history of the dog and its owners, to the event that happened with Cesar, and what was the outcome to present , just published a few months ago.


The history of Holly and the owners :



The deciding event with Cesar :



The outcome at present -published a couple months ago :



From what I heard , Cesar ended up owning the dog, as the original owners were just in over their heads on this for the long haul , and had a small child to keep safe .

That said, most people will never have the time to learn to deal with a dog like this, and at best, the undercurrent of wary distrust, for good reason from the owner under the various potential volatile circumstances of children and others in life will always be a stress factor and risk.

The chance of a "switch" back to right brain reaction in a moment of future unforeseen circumstance , is too great to risk the ones loved dearly, and others who in turn trust our judgment to keep them safe.

In everything one can think of, however, Cesar does have very effective methods that kids and adults can learn from and put to good use.

Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: 160user] #6612920
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Don't shoot it good LORD !!!! Find her a good home with senior parents !!!! Just don't risk any kids ...

Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: Bigfoot] #6612926
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Originally Posted by Bigfoot
Mean dogs are like mean women life is to short to have one in your life .there are to many out there that will let a kid belly flop on them or swing from their ears with nothing more than a wine and a doggy kiss.. we used to have a golden retriever that would drive the babys off with sloppy kisses when they got to rough


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Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: jbyrd63] #6612928
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Don't shoot it good LORD !!!! Find her a good home with senior parents !!!! Just don't risk any kids ...


So she can launch an unprovoked attack on an elderly person?


I have nothing clever to put here.





Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: 160user] #6612933
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A friend had an aggressive lab, same type of situation, long story short found an elderly couple with no children or grand children.

Couple years later a mother that lived nearby with a toddler came to visit, dog bit the kids finger off and ate it.

Then it got put down.

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Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: 160user] #6612949
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Much easier if you have someone take the dog to the vet and take care of it. Have it cremated, much easier on everyone. OK guy I do not want to hear just put a bullet in its head. Not everyone can do that. JMO Sorry for your loose!


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Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: jbyrd63] #6612954
09/09/19 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Don't shoot it good LORD !!!! Find her a good home with senior parents !!!! Just don't risk any kids ...


Nope, this would most likely make the dog more dangerous to any kids it will inevitably encounter in the future.

Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: Getting There] #6612968
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Originally Posted by Getting There
Much easier if you have someone take the dog to the vet and take care of it. Have it cremated, much easier on everyone. OK guy I do not want to hear just put a bullet in its head. Not everyone can do that. JMO Sorry for your loose!


Nope, I ain’t man enough to pull the trigger on the kids dog.


I have nothing clever to put here.





Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: 160user] #6612975
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Donate it to a nice somalian family.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: Boco] #6613055
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Originally Posted by Boco
Donate it to a nice somalian family.

cool cool cool smile


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: 160user] #6613074
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[quote=160user]Well, I guess I need to have "the talk" with Logan and then get busy digging a hole. Ain't life
If the right decision was the easy one we would all be saints.

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Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: 160user] #6613075
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No dog trainer, but it sounds like you didn’t show it you was the Alpha from the onset. I had everyone in my family do it and my kids were toddlers. I thought for sure a lab would never be aggressive until I was at work and the wife called and said the dog snapped and growled at my oldest at the time when he got too close while he was eating. That’s all it took for me. I got home, put food in the bowl and walked up with my son. He growled and I body slammed him and held his muzzle while growling and biting his neck for all I was worth. He fought it for a good 45 seconds and then went limp. I let up and held his muzzle while I made the kids and the reluctant wife do it. The kids I did the growling in the face while they did their part. Call it crazy and stupid, but for his 13 years of life anyone could walk up to him and take a steak from his bowl or mouth with even a facial expression.
He also became the boy’s protectors, from dogs and once a car that drove up and stopped in the road. He didn’t charge, but he let them know they didn’t belong.

We also fostered Dachshunds for a few years and got one named Tyson that was going to be put down if we couldn’t do anything with him. Tyson grew up with a lady and her children and a wife beating husband. He HATED men. First time I came home after we got him, he ran me up on the table, lol. I realized showing my dominance wasn’t going to work with him. So I bit the bullet and took the bites and remaining calm around him. I always showed affection to the wife and kids when he was out of his kennel. Short story is 3 months later when they came to evaluate him he was sitting in my lap in the recliner with my wife on the couch. I got up and he came with me and greeted the visitors ( a man and woman). What’s funny is the man stayed outside until the lady told him it was safe, lol.

Maybe every dog can’t be saved, but I believe most can. Some just need to learn their place in the pack. And believe it or not we would get postcards from the dogs we sheltered and went on to forever homes...and Tyson was one that got the most praise.

Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: 160user] #6613099
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Personally, I won't tolerate ANY amount of aggressive behavior in a dog.
Some think it's cool. I don't!
One bite can cost many 1000' s of $$.


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: 160user] #6613126
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If you keep it make sure your Household Insurance is paid up in full.
That way you only pay the deductible for the damages incurred to persons or pets that may come down the line.

Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: beavert] #6613128
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In my line of work I get to meet a lot of farm dogs. I usually have them riding in my truck by the end of the day and the farmer will just shake his head and laugh.
Then there are ones the farmer will say "watch out for him" he will bite. I always wondered why anyone would keep a dog that would bite someone.
Having a dog that would wake me or alert me to trouble is one thing, having a "bad" dog is something else.
They make new dogs every day.

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Re: Aggressive Lab Problems? [Re: 160user] #6613137
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Hard decision but I think 160 is doing the right thing.
I'm out and hope others will do the same..


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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