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How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease #6612885
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Ive been short-lining lately and it seems a lot of my close to home ground has been tied up for years with leases- now get this, its been ground owned by big
Co. that allowed you on anyways before it got leased. I cant get on to trap for love nor money, at least the love or money I would shell out. I know, money talks but to me that is nothing but greed I had a nice line that filled in perfectly now I have to skip over a lot of it. I cant blame the company for accepting the absurd amount deer hunters will pay.
I have a lot of Game Commission ground nearby but it is all up on the ridges and Im primarily a water trapper. Just wondering if and how much deer leasing has affected your lines.

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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6612889
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In VT land leasing for hunting has made everything more difficult. Almost 30 years ago we saw it coming and leased land and built a camp 11/2 miles up the mountain. We don’t post the property and all has been fine so far we don’t mind other people hunting as long as they do so legally. No poaching!


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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6612921
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Why is it absurd for deer hunters to pay for a lease, when you state your self you would do the same for trapping right's ?

People own the ground and wish to make money off it, whether its cattle, agriculture or hunting of any kind, and they are the bad people for doing so. What people used to walk all over without a care in the world, knowing all the time who owned it but never asking or giving back.

Always irks me when people get upset they can't just go all over others ground any more, cause they choose to support them selves off it in a way the free loaders don't like.

It's not to late to gather up some friends and do the same as the deer hunters do before more ground is gone !


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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6612937
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use it to your advantage. yotes and such are a ticket to your opening. you just have to wait till deer season has ended. moved to virginia in 97, dog hunting is big times in these parts. yes, i miss out on the start of the fur season but then again, the cats and otter/beav`s are really priming up over here come mid jan early feb. get 5/6 weeks in before some start the rub. scott

Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6612940
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Some but not too much. I bought my own place and kicked the guy that was deer hunting off of it. I caught 81 coyotes off of it in the 11 years I have lived there and I deer hunt it too. I trap it and I deer hunt it- Neither one bothers the other. Now I let two other guys with young families hunt deer too - they help me do things on the farm for me letting them hunt or sometimes they drop of a roast or something else. One of them wanted to lease it just for him but I said no and I don't take money for them hunting it.
The guy tying up all the land originally was a jerk.


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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6612941
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Everywhere I hunt and almost everywhere I trap is public land. I couldn’t imagine having to ask for permission to hunt or trap.


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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: GritGuy] #6612947
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Originally Posted by GritGuy
Why is it absurd for deer hunters to pay for a lease, when you state your self you would do the same for trapping right's ?

People own the ground and wish to make money off it, whether its cattle, agriculture or hunting of any kind, and they are the bad people for doing so. What people used to walk all over without a care in the world, knowing all the time who owned it but never asking or giving back.

Always irks me when people get upset they can't just go all over others ground any more, cause they choose to support them selves off it in a way the free loaders don't like.

It's not to late to gather up some friends and do the same as the deer hunters do before more ground is gone !


I didn't say it was absurd to do so it is an absurd amount they pay to hunt ground that was already open to hunting- they just wanted all to themselves, I guess. Hey. that's cool. I also said I have nothing against the landowner making money by leasing. go re-read it. Calm down, it just messed up my line a little, I will live.

Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6612948
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I haven't really started yet but have gotten written permission on several deer leases with thousands of acres to trap when deer season goes out January 31. The coons are raiding their feeders and the coyotes are despised so they welcome someone to control them. They don't care about the beavers and the cats either. Actually one lease has some beavers flooding a road they said I can go after them as soon as trapping season opens. I also belong to a deer lease with over 4,000 acres and I'm the only trapper.


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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6612973
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Sad deal! We see that particular from one state. They come with money and get it tied up and the locals are screwed. These hunting people just move in because they have the money to do so.

I did today, got permission to trap on 5 new sections. I will bow hunt it also.


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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6612977
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grit guy I agree. private property is private. raise the per head rate of cattle on blm to the same per head rate paid for pasture in the flint hills. cut off access to anybody the rancher doesn't give permission to. then cut off all the ag subsidies. all of them. including the extra tax breaks. then let the chips fall where they will


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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6612982
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Gritguy, calm down, it’s nothing to blow up about. Geeze

Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: danny clifton] #6612984
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I have lost 3 permissions to leases for deer and one for waterfowl. I don't blame the farmers. One gets 2800 for about 50 acres. Coons can do a lot of damage before reaching that level. I do go in late on one if I choose to.
The waterfowl one is pretty well tied up.

Bryce

Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6613021
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Hmmm, it's ok to get upset when you can't go on peoples property, but not ok to get up set when people get mad at you for charging leases's on it.

I just support people doing what they want with their own property, and if others get upset cause they have to look some where else due to a lease, oh well !

What if some one come through your door for dinner one night cause they have been crossing the ground for years and were hungry LOL or they like to sleep in that one spot over by the big tree

Danny ya we all could use some of them tax breaks cut off, not just the farmers, would put more of the dollars into the country for all them illegals to get, seems that's what half this country wants any way, won't matter where one wants to hunt if this keeps up, pretty soon there will be enough of them to just vote out what we all like to do, even argue LOL


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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6613029
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Can you enter when deer season is over?

Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6613035
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I don't know, there is some kind of deer season in it seems during our mink & rat season. I will check into that. All I would want is 3 stops. 2-4 traps at each stop no further than 30 yards off the main road. Gritguy, what kind of money should a freeloader offer them?

Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6613068
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Leases, bait plots and crossbows...brings out the best in everyone. wink

Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6613081
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Haven't lost any ground due to deer leases, yet. However I have restrictions on a lot of deer ground. Meaning, I can trap after deer season. Deer seasons here run from Sept.1 thru Jan. 15. So basically I don't get to trap these places at all.

Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6613082
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thats why i hate cabellas and there trophy properties. before u know it only the privelaged will be hunting. Its only a matter of time.


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Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6613090
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Down here they pay you to trap their deer land, lol. Word of mouth goes a long way. Trap someone’s land that’s never been trapped and they see a difference in their feed bill, fawns on camera, turkey poults, and quail and they start talking with other landowners. Next thing you know I got more land to trap than I have traps or time. Retirement should be fun!! And I’m far from being a good trapper. Sometimes pay might just be another dozen traps or a turkey or two...but still pay in my book. One place pays per critter plus time. I like landowners that have high dollar land and hunters that lease it.

Re: How many have lost a lot of ground over deer lease [Re: lumberjack391] #6613198
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They are trying to lease all the land here they just haven't got it done yet. Only reason I still have places to trap and hunt is there is still a few people who dont want a bunch of sorry city folk leasen up there land. I have met a few of these lease guys about 8 or 10 drunk retards shooting everything that moves. They pay more to hunt the land then the cattle guys pay to run cattle. It nuts! There was a big bunch that had a lease and made the neighboring land owners mad over a few things, after they lost all there feeders, blinds and stands they didnt lease around here no more.

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