Re: Climate
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Your definition of recently is 1986. 34 yrs ago!! In glacier time, it sure is. I have some photos of my kids playing on chunks of glacier ice as big as houses that had broken off the glacier and drifted across the lake. Right around 1986, though I don't recall the visitors center being open then. Portage Glacier itself is visible across most of the background in the photos. Since then the glacier has retreated around the mountain and can't even be seen from the visitor's center. Jim NONE of which proves man is responsible. so what's your point?
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Re: Climate
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Why are you still stuck on the notion that man has no responsibility for the warming trend?
Don't tell me: you own stock in oil companies. What happened, did you finally sell your tobacco stocks?
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Re: Climate
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Why are you still stuck on the notion that man has no responsibility for the warming trend?
Don't tell me: you own stock in oil companies. What happened, did you finally sell your tobacco stocks?
Jim An ounce of any proof at all would go a long way. Typically you have none other than staring out a window. Meanwhile, evidence of this being a hoax is not only mounting but for anyone doing any real research on the matter, almost irrefutable.
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Re: Climate
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Do you suppose he could use that Sharpie to redraw the boundaries of the Portage Glacier, which has receded so much that it can no longer be seen from the visitor's center they built recently?
Jim Jim you are many things, but stupid isn't one of them. Surely you realize that glaciers are ancient relics from the last Ice Age, and that the Earth is in a natural rebound from that ice age in the form of the current Natural Warming Trend which has been going on for the last 10-18 thousand years. Of course they are melting. We need to leave it alone, lest we inadvertently create the next ice age. You want to see mass destruction? What do you imagine an ice age would cause? Is human activity adding to the increase of the temperature of the planet? Does one BB added to a boxcar full of BBs make that boxcar heavier? I'd say yes to both, and in the same amount in terms of significance. That would be insignificantly.
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Re: Climate
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We wouldn't have the Great Lakes if we hadn't built all the factories that melted the glaciers off.
Ohh wait.......... *BOOM* (heads exploding) Warming and cooling have always happened, with and without man's presence. Almost as if our contribution is negligible. Doh!
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Re: Climate
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A great majority of people who are far more qualified than anyone here say that human activity is causing most of the earth to warm up.
If we guess wrong, the results will be cataclysmic.
But I won't deny there have been exaggerations and falsehoods told by those favoring drastic measures.
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Re: Climate
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Why are you still stuck on the notion that man has no responsibility for the warming trend? Don't tell me: you own stock in oil companies. What happened, did you finally sell your tobacco stocks? Jim James, Jim, Jimmy....show me where I ever said man had NO responsibility for the warming trend. I don't know how much (if any) measurable effect man has made on the climate. And frankly, neither do YOU! my points have always been: if you intend to completely disrupt major economies based on this stuff, you'd better have hard core, common sense and rigorous science backing it up. (even then, it may not be worth the disruption). right now, you have some computer projections that say we might/could/likely have a problem. computer PROJECTIONS, Jim...PROJECTIONS. the other thing is that (if it's true and clearly evident) then EVERYONE ON THE PLANET carries the same burden to resolve it. one group of people should not be "allowed" to continue to pollute when the technology is there to "fix" it. we have to rely on green energy? so does everyone else! and when I say "everyone", I mean EVERY ONE! no exemptions for the "elite".
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Re: Climate
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A great majority of people who are far more qualified than anyone here say that human activity is causing most of the earth to warm up. Jim then let them make their case to the world. actually, they have been trying for 20 years, but have failed miserably. I say, let both sides present their cases in the schools. (that doesn't happen today). and let the voters decide. but that only works if both sides are taught in the public schools.
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Re: Climate
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A great majority of people who are Paid by the government to push an agenda say that human activity is causing most of the earth to warm up.
If we let them proceed, the results will be cataclysmic.
there have been exaggerations and falsehoods told by those favoring drastic measures.
Jim Fixed it all
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Re: Climate
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If we guess wrong, the results will be cataclysmic. Jim I feel the same way about non-Christians. as a Christian, if I end up being wrong...oh, well. no harm, no foul. but if non-Christians are wrong...they end up being eternally separated from God's love.
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Re: Climate
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Why are you still stuck on the notion that man has no responsibility for the warming trend?
Don't tell me: you own stock in oil companies. What happened, did you finally sell your tobacco stocks?
Jim Respectfully, James I don’t believe that as humans we have the power to do it. We can’t stop a hurricane, thunderstorm, or even a dirt devil. If president Trump ordered the federal government to raise the global temp 2 degrees in the next 2 years what would they do? I’ll bet we couldn’t do it in ten years. It’s impossible. Yes we can pollute. Make streams, oceans, and soil nasty. But there is a big difference between that and the climate. And all of the climate change deniers like me that I know respect nature. Heck some of us make a living buy it. I’m a grade A conservationist and proud of it. I just don’t buy their bs. Last but not least a majority of scientists don’t agree. The often sighted 97% of scientists agree. Was just a survey taken many years ago. Less then 100 replies were given, and they have been using it ever since.
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Re: Climate
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Here's my biggest issue with changing our behaviors to stop alleged climate change. Are the Russians, Chinese, and India going to change? Because if they dont, it really doesn't matter what anyone does. Its global climate change for those that believe in it. Global. The US and Europe probably arent big contributors anymore given all the emission standards we have. Guarantee the other three I mentioned care less as long as their products are cheap and their country keeps ticking.
If we buy into this global climate change then it's only going to be the western world that gives up its freedoms and buries itself in debt for nothing. Going to cost a lot of us dearly.
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Re: Climate
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Those "projections" are like weather forecasts--uncertain, but the best information we have. No scientific certainty, but THE BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE.
If the weatherman says a storm is coming, do you ignore the forecast just because he could be wrong?
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Re: Climate
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Bryce, I will not argue that 7 billion people have an impact on the environment. I’ll lower it to .5 degrees in 2 years. I will still bet short of 50 nuclear weapons we couldn’t move the temp. I will say it again. NASA satellites show now warming for the last 15-18 years. Search Ted Cruz and Sierra club on YouTube. Senate hearings on climate change. Watch it and listen to the other side. I listen and research both sides and have came to the conclusion that it’s an agenda not a real problem. Good debate. Thanks
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Re: Climate
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Those "projections" are like weather forecasts--uncertain, but the best information we have. No scientific certainty, but THE BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE.
If the weatherman says a storm is coming, do you ignore the forecast just because he could be wrong?
Jim James, that’s my problem with it. It’s not based on data or facts. It’s based in computer programs built by people with an agenda. NOAA simulations showed 3 days out that the last hurricane would hit Florida, Alabama, etc. if I lived there of course I would have taken precautions, but I wouldn’t have sold my house, or screamed in the street that we were all going to die. Those projections have been wrong since 1989, so I’m a weary of them.
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Re: Climate
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I’ve never posted a YouTube video on here. If someone has time please post Ted Cruz and Sierra club senate hearings for me. Thanks
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Re: Climate
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Those "projections" are like weather forecasts--uncertain, but the best information we have. No scientific certainty, but THE BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE.
If the weatherman says a storm is coming, do you ignore the forecast just because he could be wrong? Jim no, but a prudent person would not burn down their house just because a storm might be coming. your side is saying we need to burn down our nice, $250,000 house on an acre and BORROW several hundred million dollars to re-build a cement block hovel for us and $100,000 plain-Janes for everyone else. but of course, WE have to pay for it all. let's put this in terms you may be more familiar with... you're the defense lawyer for a client on trial for murder. the prosecution's witness list contains very distinguished experts who all say your client "most likely" committed the crime. the first expert witness has all kinds of charts that they drew up on Corel Draw with all kinds of squiggly lines that seem to say your guy did it. upon cross-examination regarding the data making up the chart, he says "well, my computer program said so". the next three experts (Larry, Moe and Curly) were paid huge amounts of money by the "Foundation to Enslave Millions" to point the finger at your client. but they are "pretty sure" your guy did the crime. Finally, when it comes time for you to present your defense, the judge says "you won't be allowed to present your defense...we've already decided your client is guilty." Your side hasn't convinced most Americans to take the steps YOUR side screams we need to (ask AOC). and THAT's true, even though you're brainwashing our kids with only Larry, Moe and Curly's take on it.
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Re: Climate
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So, who here is for the dems "green new deal"? (no oil and meat consumption to be specific.)
Seems a couple are at least. And their position on the matter is every bit as stupid as those who simply believe we should be doing nothing to lower the impact of our actions.
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